Spitting on Vietnam Soldiers

People who join the military KNOW what its for; they know they will be shooting and killing and destroying. Even with a draft, there ARE ways to get away. I NEVER said it was "cool" to throw puppies off cliffs, quite the opposite. In a thread (that mysteriously disappeared, about David Motari (the soldier who threw a puppy off a cliff because it was a "threat"), I had said that he was a sicko and a perfect example of a mindless government killing machine.

 

This thread has devolved into "lets hate the soldiers". The book reference that was quoted by the anti-war protesting professor is being disputed by other authors. If he is your only source of proof spitting never happened you need to do more homework. VVATW had an actual membership of 8000, not the 30,000 he claimed. But even if the 30,000 number were true 3.3 million served during the war. Giving them a membership of less than 1%. He has many other "factual inaccuracies" but to dispute them all here would take multiple pages. I haven't read any references to the original post in awhile, again I ask the moderator to please close this thread. Stop the hate speech. Hate speech is not free speech.
~Pray for Peace

I will fight to the death to defend your right to be wrong.

 

I honestly dont think that kid did much killing, Sort of never followed the story since he didnt represent the military, He represented his parents. If he spent a day killing like you said he would be more remorseful towards the loss of life and therefore try to prevent it. Not to be ignorant or nothing but I was in Iraq and on patrol in a Province outside of the Basra, and the Sadr green ha ha zone.. much fighting in the Sunni city we seen many dogs.. some healthy some not. Personally if we had time and there was nothing hostile going on we would try to rangle up dogs, Military personnel are ordered to kill mangy dogs and animals that are considered health hazards and on average Iraqi police killed many of stray dogs a day..
But it not something soldiers do for fun. I dont know what some of you really think you can do for fun while in Iraq anyways, Did you know that Playboy magizines are prohibited.
I dont want to get into a deep related coversation, I went to Iraq cause I was a Military electrician, Where my unit needed power it got power. If any hostiles tried to disconnect said power they died. Simple as that!

Any army, ancient or modern, is a social construction defined by shared expectations and values. Some of these are embodied in formal regulations, defined authority, written orders, ranks, incentives, punishments, and formal task and occupational definitions. Others circulate as traditions, archetypal stories of things to be emulated or shunned, and accepted truth about what is praiseworthy and what is culpable. All together, these form a moral world that most of the participants most of the time regard as legitimate, �natural�, and personally binding. The moral power of an army is so great that it can motivate men to get up out of a trench and step into enemy machine-gun fire.

When a leader destroys the legitimacy of the armys moral order by betraying whats right, he inflicts manifold injuries on his men and mankind alike.

 

Yeah what they said

Peace

 

Any piece of shit that that would agree with spitting on a vietnam soldier should be shot in the street like a fucking dog they are. I hate when yoy idiots run your mouth about american troops, if it was not for them you jack asses would be speaking german, japanese, russion or some other damn language.

xbloodynailpolishx is a godamn idiot

 

xbloodynailpolish is a perfect example of a far left wing liberal fool who likes to run thier damn mouth about stuff they dont know shit about, and you have the freedom to do that only because past AMERICAN TROOPS provided that freedom for you by.

-Euchee Pride-

 

Why close it, when its getting so interesting?

 

Nice. Your a lot older, yet rather than actually staying on topic and making some valid arguments, you blather off insults and cursing, and fail to make any real point. Nice.
You sound like a raving, violent lunatic. That's a shame. Have you enlisted yet?
I am simply for peace.

 

awww, you've run out of arguments and you're resorting to attacking me personally.
Like I said, I simply want peace.

 

No your not on topic, I asked for this to be closed because it has turned into a place to vent anger and hate. Not discuss the original topic. A client just arrived I have to go to work but would be glad to continue this debate in the thread you open under "Why I hate America and its armed forces". Looking forward to it.
~Pray for Peace

 

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. How can you live in America and then at the same time not respect the American soldier, the person who makes it even possible for you to live here. Without the military, this country would NOT exist, and whether you like it here or not, you still live here, and should be appreciative of what you have. You think in other countries, people would put up with your hate speech? hell no, you would probably have been executed by now.

Im for peace too. War is wrong, it doesn't solve everything. But as long as humans have been around, conflicts have developed as a result of differing interest. As long as we are around in our present form, this will always happen. Not everyone is into peace.

 

The original start of this thread was about how the reports of soldiers being spit on made the guy feel bad and how people were telling him not to be a hippy. It quickly went down hill from there into how anyone who served in the military during that time deserved worse than that. OFF TOPIC. If some one wishes to criticise the military or the government that is their right. Its what the soldiers fought for in all the wars, the right to be an American and say what we please. OFF TOPIC. Again I invite XBloodyNailPolishX, wbld, steve-peace, and anyone else who agrees with them, to start a thread about "How much you hate America and its armed forces". And then those who disagree with you can voice their opinion. I'm all for free speech, no tolerance for hate speech. OFF TOPIC.

I will fight to the death to defend your right to be wrong.
~Pray for Peace

 

hate speech? Did I say I hate America? No. I said I hate war and violence and military forces. you're taking my words out of context and twisting them. Get off your high horse and thinking you're such a good american. Yeah, I'm sure Bush would give you a pat on the head.

 

Lets take that one point at a time. I'm a libertarian who would fight for your right to speak, whether I agree with you or not. The hate speech you used was against any soldier who served. You also accused the government of turning them into mindless killing machines. Thats where I got that you hate america.
I gave years of my life in service to my country when called. I support my community with time and money. I look out for my neighbors. I think its fair to claim I'm a good American.
My own politics would guarantee that the president would never consider patting me any where. If saying what I believe puts me on a high horse you must be standing under the other end.
Again nothing you said in your post was on topic. So nothing I said in answer to you was either. That is why I think its time to close this thread.
Lizardman0 made a statement about how he felt about what happened, and how he had been advised not to be a hippy because of it. The hippies wouldn't have spit on anyone.
The anti-war, anti-troop, anti-americans did.

I fought to defend your right to be wrong. I would again.
~Pray for Peace

 

I don't hate the soldiers, but I do dislike those who are proud of what they did or in other words enlist themselves in it. They willingly went to kill. Now consciption and drafts are a whole different story.

Peace is achievable
Stop speaking violence, teach peace

 

Again no mention of the original post. You say you do not hate the soldiers but you dislike those that are proud to have served. If your brothers are being drafted why not enlist and go with them? What makes you so special or life worth more than theirs?
Are we supposed to feel shame for doing what was expected of us? I never asked for a hero's welcome. I would have been more than glad to forget I was ever gone. But that didn't happen because of those that were intent on making our lives miserable. I thought this had all been laid to rest, but hate and those that hate won't let it rest.
Again I ask the mod to close this thread. Nothing is being accomplished except to pick the scab from a wound that won't heal.

I would fight to the death to defend for your right to be wrong.
~Pray for Peace
Canada, America's 51st state.

 

And regardless of what you think you know, I would say that a fair share of the soldiers who fight/fought did so believing that they were fighting to protect your freedoms. Whether or not their actions actually did is for another thread, but the fact remains that they made sacrifices for the idea of helping others.

Therefore, humiliating them is basically just a selfish way to get across a political argument, and is almost counter productive.

 

my life is no better than my brothers(though I have none) but I wouldn't enlist because they're being forced to, I would do my best not to make them go.
"expected of you" since when is killing expected, I'm sorry but do we live on the same planet. And yes I do expect you to feel shame for killing people despite what they've done. Are you saying you don't feel shame for it, that you are proud to "serve your country" and do those horrific acts.
Maybe the mod should close this thread, so I can get away from you

 

Do your best "not to make them go"? Like you had any more say in it than they did. If you had brothers who went you might feel differently. My family lost a brother, uncle, brother-in-law.
"expected of you" since when is killing expected of you? When your in a war zone and people are shooting at you. What has our living on the same planet got to do with anything?
You seem to have a problem seperating service to our (not your) country and the acts of war. I am proud to have been in uniform. No one in their right mind takes pride in killing another human being.
You don't have the emotional maturity to know the difference. Its like arguing with a child, not debating an adult. Oh thats right.
If you want to get away from me don't reply to my posts. Simple. I have only ever contacted you once, and that was to explain your "eye for an eye" tag had another meaning. I promise not to do that again. I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings.

I would fight to the death to defend your right to be wrong.(unless your Canadian)
~Pray for Peace

 

You seem so very full of hate, and at such a young age, we all hate war, war is hell for many reasons. However the world is full of hate so to counter that we must have a military sad I wish it were not so but it is a fact. This whole thing is about Vietnam vets being spit on and the disrespect that showed, and this is America so you can disrespect and hate whatever you want you have that right. However that right comes with a price, and must be protected. Would you be willing to give up your rights ? I think not, so who do you think is going to protect them, yes that's right the military is. I wish with all my heart it did not have to be that way but it is. To tell the truth if it was not for the draft I would never have gone into the military but I did what I had to do and got out. I don't think you hate America I think you are just a little confused about what it stands for and that is freedom, and the world is a very dangerous place full of those who would take that freedom from you in a minute without a strong deterrent please keep that in mind. So think it over and maybe cut the guys in the service a break.

Peace