Socialism Is The Future

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by unfocusedanakin, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    wow really? How did you come to that conclusion? 2014 Venezuela entered an economic recession. Pretty sure bush and trump were not around. Oh wait, it was Obama in power then. Inflation In Venezuela rose rose 800 percent. While the country relied on oil for them to prosper, manufacturing and agricultural production declined there. People were unable to get food, The government Hugo Chavez didn’t care. Never addressed it and let everything else fall while lining his own pockets.

    National and international analysts and economists stated that the crisis is Because of policies and corrupt practices that began under the Chávez administration's Bolvarian Revolution which continued under the Maduro .
    Government overspending was the problem. Power corrupts, yes socialism is corrupt. When a government believes they know what is best for the people as socialism wants to do. It takes away individual rights, the people crumble in the end, why because the government just doesn’t care. The people are like working ants.
     
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    Who are you talking to? What are you referring to and who? How do you know? Did a scientist tell you this?
     
  3. Tyrsonswood

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    So is capitalism...
     
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  4. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    I never said it doesn’t, but at least it is honest in Canada and doesn’t point fingers at the opposition for all that went off, like the left does. All the left does is lip service. Accomplishing nothing except for making things worse! Financially for all and taxes rise, so does inflation. As every day there is a new issue and concern that has nothing to do with the struggle of people here. Everyone else matter. Every other place matters.

    I further do not believe in any government telling me and my people what we must accept, what we must say, how we must speak. which trudeau has said outright. So has every other left wing party along that line, which is one in the same, different left name, same shit

    I am not for the taking of my land to give to whoever the socialists, the UN here say deserve my peoples land. I asked before, what good has immigration ever done?
     
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    Hey... wasn't me.
     
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    Oops. :) sorry. Another T name. :). Sorry tysonwood. Have a good evening. :)
    I removed it. Lol.
     
  7. granite45

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    You know a number of Indian nations “bands” might have posed this question about 450 years ago last Tuesday. Many native people had a very different view of property rights. Conservatives act as if private property rights are unlimited to individuals and of course they are not. Communities, tribes and future generations are entitled to a seat at the table too.
     
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  8. stormountainman

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    Hugo Chavez went to the UN and gave a speech where he told world leaders he smelled sulfur. That got GW Bush real upset. The rest is history but you most likely would not understand. You could send a fax to Gina at the CIA.
     
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    Thanks.
     
  10. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    surprised that you didn’t mention the sign of the cross he made and his look to the skies, as if prayer to god. Surprised you would approve of such a thing. Political corruption, unemployment, deterioration of productivity, terrible economic mismanagement, authoritarian government, human rights violations, the government put all their eggs in one basket and became completely dependant on oil. Disregarding other things like food, Fresh water, farming and any other production required in the economy. Prices of oil dropped in 2015. Obama in power at the time. Just saying. The UN noted human rights violations in 2017 with over 5200 killings by the Special Action Forces. In 2019 there were over 1500 such killings by April. Yeah sure, Blame the USA.
     
  11. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    you are so off base. Aboriginals people are demanding renewed relationships to water that sustains the life and land which provides for our people. This entails returning land and resources to Aboriginal control. The protection of aboriginal values Above all else and the rights of nature through law. Land and water are our relatives, ancestors. Immigration, influx in population will not preserve this. We know this. The carbon print left by over population is far reaching and damaging. We didn’t need scientists to tell us this. We saw it throughout OUR (native people to where I stand) history, through many many generations.... we have always been here.

    This approach entails returning lands and resources to aboriginal North American control and rethinking our relationship to the environment by recognizing and protecting native people values to North America and our rights of nature through the law, not your rights, or whatever you want, For us land is regarded as sacred, like a living relative, it is our ancestors. There is a strong connection to land and water. It isn’t your land or whoever the government, the UN allows in to buy it up.

    Thank you so kindly for letting me know we, my people are allowed a seat.

    “Your people might have mentioned this 450 years ago” you say.... Are you serious here? Wtf???
     
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    All of your points about the earth and the environment are right on. They are also precisely the issues that Trump and his ultra conservative cronies have trampled on. These values usually are not valued in the market and so don’t matter in his administration’s decisions. I would certainly trust the UN or conservation entities to do their best to preserve the earth and its creatures more than Wells Fargo or BP.
     
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    I think worker-cooperatives are the future.

    Unlike capitalism, in worker-cooperatives, the profits are divided by the multitude of workers rather than confined to the owner's bank account.

    And unlike communism, in worker-cooperatives, each worker has a sense of individual responsibility and drive due to his ownership of the company.


    Research has shown that worker cooperatives are more productive than conventional businesses.Another study by The Democracy Collaborative found that in the US, worker cooperatives can increase worker incomes by 70-80%. One 1987 study of worker cooperatives in Italy, the UK, and France found “positive” relationships with productivity. It also found that worker cooperatives do not become less productive as they get larger.


    Pay inequality has also been found to be considerably lesser in worker-cooperatives. It has also been found to have a higher success rate and longevity than conventional businesses.

    Studies have also shown that worker-cooperatives are the only form of enterprise that fosters social trust between employees.A survey conducted in Seoul suggests that in conventional firms, employees become less committed to their job as their work becomes more demanding; however, this was not the case in worker cooperatives.


    A 2012 study of three Italian towns of similar demographics, income, and geography found that the town with the most worker cooperatives had:

    Better mental and physical health, and longer lives, with fewer strokes and heart attacks.
    Children were less likely to skip school and skipped school for shorter periods of time.
    Less crime, including less domestic violence and greater feelings of safety.
    Higher rates of ‘social participation’ (joining clubs and charities; giving blood; voting).
    Perception of a more positive society, more supportive personal networks, and more trust in the government.
     
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    no trust there. Obama played the game, His interest was Not in protecting land. It was never to stop the pipe line. This is the man you support and the left thinks of as a god, He was not opposed to the pipe line, none of you were. Simply pretended to be, it was manipulation for a trade agreement. Which all the left celebrated. Trade never went well for my people. Play the game, leave behind a mess. Why the fuck should the UN be trusted? It is as corrupt as they come. Obama’s interest was in a new trade agreement, I made a post about it some time ago, which went completely ignored. Not for you to tell me I am spot on either. I know I am! Thanks for your approval which is not wanted.

    again you said my people should have spoken up 450 years ago. .??! Wtf???

    this is not your land, it is not for the left to dictate, do you get that? It is not for them to say anything! They are not rulers over me and my people. It is not for the left to decide who can live and buy land here either. It is not free reign for all who decide to increase the population and further take up land. Canada’s population is big enough. It does not need the increase. Does not need the strain. The USA is already over populated, it does not need an increase. Other places are way overpopulated, people simply will die, not a redistribution of population to lighten the load on one while increasing it here.
     
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    These are decision for a Government to take. That Government, currently is Liberal under Justin Trudeau. OK, you didn't vote for him, but the majority of Canadians did, and therefore the majority decision rules - that is DEMOCRACY whether you like it or not !!!
     
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    No governing over my land anD my waters, who are my Ancestors. We can watch over it and protect it. You create a world that keeps everyone dependant on your left government and support. Don’t want to depend on the loath, they want me to be, my people to be grateful and thankful should they throw us a bone. No! They want all of you to depend on them for your well being. Keep yo7 dependant. I am of this land, not you Vlad, and not the government. I loath the left and the constant stream of lies, broken promises and criminal acts Done even today, to my people. The land and waters are my people, my ancestors, why the fuck can anyone here dictate who gets to step on them and invite others to do the same?
     
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  17. stormountainman

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    The USA like the European colonizers required all the little third world nations to be MONO-CROPPING nations. That means the big White Supremacist nations wanted to hold power on these poor third world nations. In the event they started to get strong from their export revenue, the colonizers would destroy their sole source of income. It's an old trick. It was used on Iran, Iraq, Libya, and other oil exporters. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait faired well because they complied with The American White Supremacists.
     
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    Beach Ball is not Canadian and not Female. It is a Trump Re-election Troll.
     
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    I don’t give a shit about these poor third world nations you speak of. Third world is an archaic term. They do not exist, their problems are not mine, And my people, my land. Pretty sure obama was not white, he did a bang up job! Didn’t he? Lots of lies and false promises. What was the statement you said to me? Making a mockery of my people? . Forked tongue you said? That is a history not of my land, not of my people. If you have a problem with the history of other places, go there and stand with them, I guess, who are your people. with your people and take you war out of my backyard, again you make it black and white. It is not black vs. White. It isn’t white supremacy, it is supremacy. Stop making it a racial issue. Arabia vs Iran, religious sects wanting to reign supreme. Which side are you on?

    tell me what good has immigration done?

    Even the burning man event is disgusting, the carbon footprint they leave behind. 1000 times bigger than all of Sweden in one week for a festival per person. Are you wanting me to know middle eastern history? Do you want a middle eastern history month in schools? Do you want to brain wash my people into forgetting their own plight, of this land? It is about oil. It is about money. The fight between sects.

    The pipeline is for supplying within this continent. Not being reliant on far away places for supply. Find another route. Obama didn’t care about this pipeline, the left did not care about it, but used it to pretend to be the good guy, pretending! Reliant on other places, putting this land, my people on the back burner. It is a double edge sword. Fuck the UN. Obama was concerned with everywhere else but here. He wanted their oil. You probably want it too. The left is concerned with everyone else, but here. That is the problem. You too are concerned with everywhere else, but here, this land, like Obama was/is. Keep them fighting, keep them angry. You wish for change is not the change my people want. You have continually said you want my land to be a Muslim country as well. For your religion to control my people. My land, my ancestors. Why would I want this? Why would my people approve? So we can be swolled up and not exist in what you want this land to be? What you want my future generations to be? Forced upon us, again! Is that freedom to you?

    You continually talk of how other places are so much better than where you are. Who invited you in? Who invited your ancestors in? Why do you remain to walk over my ancestors and lord over my people in a place you despise?? To Tell me what should be my concern? What the history is of people who are not of this land? People that are not of here? Just like in school. How short your memory is. Just move on to your next and new issue tomorrow.
     
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    lol well I guess you never saw my videos, or heard me. You continually lie, this is just another one of your many lies. Fork tongue you joked me and said I have. Your credibility diminishes even further with each passing word. I am mi’kmaq! I am of this land. In what you call Canada. From kanata, meaning village! Toronto, which is also derived from a native word meaning plenty.
    So this land is my village, my land of plenty, not yours to talk of far away histories and tell me to care about the greater picture. You can not school me!
     
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