Socialism is like life in a pandemic

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by 6-eyed shaman, Mar 17, 2020.

  1. Beach Ball Lady Balls

    Beach Ball Lady Balls Banned

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    Another thing socialists do... propaganda. Pierre Trudeau, even though he is dead has a publicist who makes sure there is positive BS about him. They also, the socialists own media and control it. They have also put reporters in jail for not revealing leaked government spending sources.
     
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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    China is not a socialist country.
    China is a communist country.
     
  3. Vladimir Illich

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    Such load of ol' bullshit I haven't seen in many years !!! - are you telling me Rupert Murdoch is a socialist ??? and why is the American Government (a socialist government ???) seeking the extradition of wikileaks owner Julian Assange???
     
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  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Apparently you are in a minority in Canada.
    As stated before according to a Strategic Counsel survey 91% of your fellow citizens prefer your system over ours.


    Canadians strongly support the health system's public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to make our public health care stronger."[69][70] A Strategic Counsel survey found 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system instead of a U.S. style system.[71][72]
     
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  5. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    youare funny, what do you think make it stronger means? Better? Stop abusing our money you take and abuse as you bring in privatized health care? Make everyone live below the poverty line? That is how the socialists make it stronger. They make themselves stronger and the people weaker, why do you think Canadians say sorry all the time? Sorry for existing. You completely disregard the countless things i have shown you and others. Ah it is ok, I do believe you are completely blinded by the socialist cult. One that has you believing things will improve, when in fact they will not. socialism doesn’t solve poverty. This is where you are mistaken. Brainwashed.

    as for strategic council survey. Lol. So they ask canadians a question, a question to which the government says we are the best in the world, when in reality we are not. The people just assume it and compare it to something they have never seen nor experienced. Let me ask you this. Do you prefer your healthcare over India’s? How about Australia? Answer those questions and tell me, please?

    now, just to add, the strategic council is Bull Shit. This is them.
    Whether you need to gauge or sway public opinion, understand the interests and beliefs that motivate your audience, or measure stakeholder reaction to a policy, issue or industry, The Strategic Counsel has extensive experience in public affairs, public consultation, public opinion and public policy research.

    yes, used to sway public opinion. That is their goal, obviously the socialist liberal government likes the idea of brainwashing you, Americans, and the world into believing the people are satisfied. Living in luxury, not true. Great healthcare, not true, It is free, not true,

    the government is the monopoly and the people are not profiting from it. They are struggling under the weight of debt.

    I have experienced, seen first hand what the healthcare system is like for someone on MA in the USA. I can assure you, what you have going on there is way better.

    a country known as the country of the crossed arms at concerts under socialism.
     
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  6. soulcompromise

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    I think Canada has a free University and College system. :)
    I have heard mixed reviews about the healthcare though; that it takes forever to get in to see a specialist or something. Sounds like skepticism though.

    The socialist aspects of life in a pandemic are probably healthy. At least for your mental health. I get a sense that the government is looking out for me when I hear that the help is on the way so to speak.
     
  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Your ranting about socialism is hard to address as you don't support any of your contentions with facts, and you don't seem to realize that there are many forms of socialism.

    Your concern about surveys is similar. Please give me the factual instances where the strategic council has lied or skewed results.
    Same with Nanos. (Nanos Research was commissioned by the Canadian Health Coalition (CHC), a nonpartisan group that supports Canada’s public health system, to conduct a random telephone survey of 1,001 Canadians between April 25 and May 3. The margin of accuracy for a sample of 1,001 is ±3.1 percentage points. ~ 1)

    I have no idea how the U.S. compares to India's or Australia's healthcare system. India is a democratic republic and Australia is a constitutional monarchy, neither are socialist countries so I don't know what you're getting at.

    Here is some data on your system:
    5 Myths About Canadian Health Care
    A Canadian Doctor Explains How Her Country's Single-Payer Health Care System Works
     
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  8. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    not bs, it is the truth.

    Canadians Protest Prosecution Of Newspaper for a Spy Report

    Peter Worthington had previously and continually brought attention to Pierre Trudeau’s abuse of the people and socialist ways, how he was spending through leaked documents, He was out for blood because worth8ngton would not reveal his source, the destruction he was bringing on the canadian people. A leaked document of Trudeau’s abuse of money and the aligning he had with socialist & dictators as well as love for the FLQ. So now he writes about how the government is doing nothing about 16 known kgb spies in Canada, this was common knowledge as it was discussed in parliament openly. So trudeau throws him in jail for violating the secret service act. Treason! Spent a month in there, needing open heart surgery.

    this paper was not pro socialist liberals, and also brought in facts with evidence. The truth! Can’t have that can we? Must not speak Badly of the socialist trudeau government, not allowed, let’s throw you in jail. Don’t tell the truth or this will happen.

    I hope Julian Assange does return and fights it, some things are top secret and I don’t believe should be publicized, but not for me to decide, Pretty sure it was and is socialists, leftists in the USA pushing for his prosecution, out for blood. as it is what hurt them! Poor Hilary, poor Obama ... poor socialist people in the USA are butt hurt.

    do you think that a paper has a responsibility to protect the people? Do you believe it is ok to access strategies in war and publish those for all to see before it happens?

    Julian Assange has been running since 2012, he is also accused of rape some where. Pretty sure it was Obama in power when he ran. Yes, running from socialists. Not sure what Rupert Murdock has to do with Julian Assange, other than stations he own reporting on it through his media sources.

    Once extradition is filed, it isn’t like the next president can simply say let’s withdraw it. It would create more turmoil for one, and just used to further the divide by socialists. Oh white nationalist government trump wants to save the white guy. I can see it now in the headlines, proof of collusion with Russia, since Julian Assange ran there.
     
  9. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    so you believe propaganda, and that is exactly what it is. Even WHO has criticized canadian health care with long wait times, infant deaths being high, Lack of enough beds, Inadequate equipment,..etc. And it is privatized as well. I gave links early, clearly you didn’t read. Lol.

    as for what I am getting at. Justine Trudeau says it is the best health care in the world. This is a lie. My point is, how can you ask people to compare something when the have never experienced the health care elsewhere and simply believing in the propaganda, by socialists on both sides of the border. As I said, I have experienced health care in the USA, and in Canada. In the Netherlands too, also in the UK. They have a good thing going in the USA, don’t want what we have

    India and Australia both have healthcare run by the government, a socialist healthcare system, I believe.

    you must have an opinion sight unseen.
     
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  10. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    It’s not free. That f-word is how politicians sell their ideas to the economically gullible.

    Yes, the wait times are long and tedious. Think of the wait times at the local DMV, but imagine having waiting with an agonizingly painful toothache

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    Living in fear, panic, scarcities of essential goods and services is HEALTHY to you?

    Pass me whatever it is you’re smoking
     
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  11. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    There’s not much difference between the two when you really break it down. Both have the same goals in mind: Propping up entitlement culture, and forced equality through the barrel of a gun
     
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  12. soulcompromise

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    lol. That isn't because of socialist policy though.

    I think of the stimulus and feel pretty good.
     
  13. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    no we don’t have free university and college, again, a socialist propaganda trudeau and the likes have mislead people on. They went to India telling students they were welcome to Canada for their education. When he didn’t say is that it will cost you.
     
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  14. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Looks like I missed this one @ me
    I spent several months in a former Soviet satellite country. Lots of the people I lived amongst have dreadful stories about life during the Iron Curtain.

    I’d rather go off the stories and life experiences of someone who lived through socialism. Rather than some pseudo-expert who listens to TYT and Democracy Now podcasts

    Video testimonial of escapees of socialism

     
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  15. Meliai

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    Lol
     
  16. Meliai

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    Ok but here's the thing.
    When you go on your tirades against socialism you typically seem to be targeting people who actually want a mixed market economy with universal healthcare, a good pension for the elderly, free or very cheap university, that sort of thing. Socialist programs within the framework of a capitalistic economy.

    Which is what the Czech Republic (am I remembering that correctly or was it somewhere else you lived? ) is currently. So what did you think of their current form of government and economy?

    Also, sidenote - say what you will about TYT but Democracy Now does some thorough reporting and Amy Goodman is an exceptional journalist
     
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  17. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    you laugh, I guess you think this is ok and something to laugh off, I can only come to the conclusion that death is a joke to you, as long as they are older and no longer useful to you.
     
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  18. Asmodean

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    Beachball, you blame everything your prime minister or government does wrong on socialism. Propaganda: typical socialism. People in denial: typical socialist behavior.
    Then you ignore the posts that righteously point out its primarily human behavior and every kind of system can and will be abused by the powerhungry or greedy. Corruption is usually the problem.
    Really, it's ridicilous. Quite pointless trying to discuss socialism with you and 6-eyed.
     
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  19. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    I have said power corrupts. I agree with this. Taking wealth out of the people’s hands, the potential to succeed and the potential to prosper isn’t the solution. No incentive once you take that away. It becomes an individual thing. Why am I working myself to death? I can make the same money to sit on my ass, not stress, not worry. Socialists simply take it away from the people and put it in their own pockets, to keep the people in line, they are the monopoly. has divided people more than anything in the USA and in Canada, in the uk, in Australia as well.

    why work for retirement? In Canada you will be poor just like everyone else, whether you worked or not here. Why bother? 14000 a year for all in Canada dollars. Below the poverty line. Yet socialists say this is good? I don’t agree
     
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  20. Asmodean

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    It also isn't the default or inevitable outcome of socialism. You talk about propaganda being a socialist thing yet most of your points about socialism, and this post of you (that i paraphrased) is the prime example of it, you're basing yourself for a large part on propaganda. And we really have been all over these cliché points on this forum a lot.
     

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