Socialism is like life in a pandemic

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by 6-eyed shaman, Mar 17, 2020.

  1. Flagme15

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    The very same thing can be said about private enterprise. My next door neighborhood just quit his job of thirty years at a well known company. He was tired of doing the work of two people, and he was tired of management refusing to do anything about it.
    This is not about the private sector vs the public sector. It's about poor management.
    You stereotype the public sector jobs as bad because a government employee did their job, and you are mad about that.
     
  2. Vanilla Gorilla

    Vanilla Gorilla Go Ape

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    Lolz, this thread got to 4 pages fast
     
  3. Meliai

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    Ohhhh noooo I mentioned that old people inevitably die and changes tend to be generational. I'm a horrible fucking person

    But I have no idea what that has to do with your silly conspiracy theory
     
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  4. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    OMG, I am appalled! I just can’t believe she said that. Non violent socialists inciting violence against the elderly. Terrible. Absolutely no respect for human life.
     
  5. Gul Dukat

    Gul Dukat Kanar, anyone?

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    I believe the term is "starve the beast".
     
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  6. Gul Dukat

    Gul Dukat Kanar, anyone?

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    Everybody gets it.
     
  7. Tyrsonswood

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    Fixed
     
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  8. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    And we pay a lot. I am glad you understand. Sachem didn’t believe me regarding the cost of it. It is not cheap by any means. It isn’t the only deduction the government takes either. That is just one of them. Half your, actually over half your oay is taken by the government. We have to get additional coverage on top of that too, not paid by the government as they abuse the funds and bankrupt us. Meds not available, extreme waiting times, then everything you buy is taxed an additional 13 percent, some provinces it is 15 percent. Not to mention property tax, carbon tax, carbon tax, another socialist, liberal abuse, garbage pick up, carbon tax added onto heating carbon tax is added on to, which is already taxed, road tax, which is hidden in the tax tax carbon tax, this is an additional tax, that the feds take. Water is taxed too, not just paying for water. If the socialists could tax the air, they would, which they did do actually. They, the socialists taxed radio waves and using your radio, when radio waves first came in to play. The people revolted in the 50s They gave you a monthly charge on anything using radio waves. Liberals also taxed people 70 dollars just to renew your licence plate sticker in Toronto.. Doug ford thankfully nixed it. This tax was also retroactive, so whe; you went to get your new sticker you were charged it for your previous one as well. So every year you had to pay 140 dollars in tax for plus an additional 70 dollars for the sticker.

    It has been calculated, from Jan 1st to August 27th goes to the government. After that until December 31st you get to keep., but pay taxes for what you buy, gas, heating, water, garbage, etc... in addition.
     
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  9. Gul Dukat

    Gul Dukat Kanar, anyone?

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    Well kinda. The idea is to sabotage government programs to reduce faith in the government, because ideology first, sound policy second.
     
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  10. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    Not to mention trudeau tried to make the 401, busiest highway in North America a toll road. If you want to drive in the HAV lane, which is a car pool lane you have to pay for a special licence to the federal government too. So yay for socialism. As they sell of what was for the people, owned by the people.

    this is what you are in for.
     
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  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    As bad as you think your system is, ours is worse.
    My wife just qualified for Medicare. Before that she was paying over $12,000 a year for her healthcare, with no dental or vision and a copay on prescriptions. Plus she had a $7,400 a year deductible, which means she had to pay the first $7,400 of any bill before her insurance would kick in each year. Plus an $8,150 out of pocket limit which means she would have to pay the first $8,150 dollars each year of her own money even though she has a $7,400 deducible. Plus she had to pay $50.00 for each and every doctor visit.
    So if she never visited a doctor it cost her $12,000 a year. If she used her healthcare it could cost her up to
    $20,200 or $27,600 depending on how the deducible and out of pocket work out, and if she only had one doctor visit per year.
    Plus we also pay wage taxes, income tax, Inheritance tax, capital gains tax, property taxes, right to work taxes in some areas, gasoline tax, road tolls, cigarette tax, sales taxes, social security tax, gift taxes, value added taxes, alcohol taxes, and travel taxes. And I'm sure I missed a few.
     
  12. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    sounds like you have the same prices. Yep. 13000 a year here and many things that are mandatory surgery or care is not covered as well. Dental not covered, that is separate and long long wait times, children dying, waiting. , Drugs not available and only generic brands which often don’t work properly, might be placebos even. You have to get a separate drug plan. Drugs are not covered. Not sure why you think they are? The drug plans don’t cover the full cost, additional health care is required, out of pocket expenses. as the government takes away what they will cover. You have no idea how bad it is here. The grass looks greener when in reality it is not.

    a week to see your GP, 19.8 weeks to see a specialist, then tests, sent somewhere else, wait for that, back to the specialist, wait another 5months, if surgery is required they have to book and wait for a bed. waiting over a year or more to have an issue finally addressed. Emerg only is allowed 1 doctor on, as this is all the government allows. Unbelievable wait time. Imagine for a moment a moment having all your money going to the government from Jan 1st - Aug. 27, The rest of the year is yours which has to cover housing, heat, other taxes. Water, carbon tax, hidden taxes, property tax, food, clothing, etc. As well as a 13 percent tax in addition on what you buy. This is ok with you? We are bouncing off nothing.
     
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  13. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    Trying to plan for retirement, which you must pay into as well, to the government, wich gives you a max of 14,109.96 a year, that is unheard of for the most part. More like 900 a month and still having to pay for your medication as so many are not covered, food, housing, clothing, etc.
     
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  14. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    That's how the Trump Out House works.
     
  15. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    Everyone gets the same amount too. Whether they worked or not. Vets get 10 dollars more.
     
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  16. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    George Galloway just said that Capitalism is one virus away from existential disaster. Trump just proven him right.
     
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  17. If you are pissed off at having to be at home due to having to self isolate due to the coronavirus maybe consider yourself to be lucky you can still work from home.
    It's much better than having to go to work or uni when you are sick as you can spread sickness around all the time.
     
  18. Beach Ball Lady Balls

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    not sure where you are, but this is the anti socialism thread, not about corona,

    Socialism is the worst thing you could wish for, because.....................................
     
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  19. granite45

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    Since 1980, virtually all of the increased wealth in this nation has accrued to the top 10% and most of that to the top 1%. That is not a stable society in the long run. And Trump has been the worst of all, trashing the very things that make government more efficient and responsive while telling people the trickledown is coming. Taxes in the US are by developed nation standards very modest and not very progressive and yet Trump and his allies made it a lot worse by cutting taxes for the wealthy in good economic times.
    John M. Keynes must be rolling in his grave so much his bones have turned to dust. And now we face a pandemic, a month of valuable response time has been piddled away by Trump already. If Hoover had stayed in office the Great Depression would still be with us. A mixed economy with appropriate roles for government and the private sector has worked very well for Scandinavia. But rules are needed to prevent capitalism from preying in the rest of society.
     
  20. everything bagel

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    So did he do nothing or did he file paperwork, man the phones, and answer emails? Your post is confusing. Or maybe just posted by someone who is confused
     

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