Social Conservativism RETARDS Human Progress

Interesting, can you expand on your statement?

Social conservatism tells people what they can and cannot do, how to express
themselves and not how to express themselves, how to act and not act, how to think and not think, what to believe not believe, and how to judge and not judge. It is mind control (slavery to the whims of others) and sounds very similar to some theocratic governments in the Middle East. Do you like such nations?

It conflicts with many freedoms, like freedom of speech and expression, freedom of choice, freedom of thought, freedom of action, and freedom of religion.

 

We are living in times of liberal fascism
where basically political correctness has stifled the right to criticise
you have to be your own thought police
else who knows who you might offend -
Moral censure ensures that we are scared to speak freely
whichever side of the political spectrum we are on.
There is a call to end opposition to the state
that is (in the eyes of the state) terrorism
The real plot in the propoganda war was to make people
afraid to condemn state action. The anti terror laws
are a simple device to make you afraid to act
Dont be fooled - speak freely
They cannot stop this revolution
Not if we act like we are not afraid
Remember the guy who stood in front of a chinese tank?
the one who stopped a whole army marching on the people

 

Greater than conservative fascism.

 

IM, pay justwow no mind. He's just a Busheep.

 

All fascism is one fascism - all fascism is the fascism of the dictatorship. Conservative is not a fixed idea - it shifts its axis to suit particular times - these times the people are taught to think like liberals because liberals are torn between the ideas of free speech and responsible speech. That way we are not just separated from each other by class, creed, colour, but are caught in turmoil and axioms within our own minds. We cannot speak for fear of offending and cannot resist speaking because we love our freedom of speech. In the end we say nothing politically meaningful as to do so is to oppose one thing in favour of another. We think it but cannot say it - we are our own fascists - that is liberalist fascism.

 

No doubt, I was trying to understand his mindset and how it comes to believe what it believes.

 

I like to be my own fascist than some nut being my fascist.

 

Social or perhaps a better term would be moral conservativism, is perhaps the worst domestic problem that can be associate with the Regan's.

We're going to have B movie stars give us lessons on morality? That's a good idea.

It was so severly pervassive that it set the political dialogue for both the right and left now to a more socially consrvative side.

 

Brilliantly stated.

Fascism is fascism, it matters not if their reasoning is based on their own greed or "for your own good".

 

And what is wrong with Dionysian anarchy, surely its better to express than to be repressed. Everything is permitted - there is no god we as mankind are free. To free ourselves from those who freed themselves is the point.
By dionysian anarchy I presume you mean "anarchy" as in the sense newsreaders use that term - which is an illiterates form of the word.
"Anarchy" merely means - "without a leader". An Anarchy is a society of equal people. You seem to think "anarchy" is equivalent to "chaos" - it is not.
Anarchy is order and peace and respect for your fellow beings.
Anarchy is democracy.
Anarchy is coming to a planet near you - real soon - the new world order is the new world slavery and anarchy will save you
Dont be afraid - decadence is love and freedom
Join us and remember the words of one truly great anarchist thinker - John Lydon of the Sex Pistols(remember, the word pissed = drunk in the UK)

How many ways to get what you want
I use the best
I use the rest
I use the N.M.E
I use Anarchy

'Cause I wanna be Anarchy
It's the only way to be

Is this the M.P.L.A or
Is this the U.D.A or
Is this the I.R.A
I thought it was the UK
Or just another country
Another council tenancy

I wanna be Anarchy
And I wanna be Anarchy
(Oh what a name)

And I wanna be an anarchist
(I get pissed, destroy!)

Dionysian Anarchy

 

Actually IM, you should pay people like myself a great deal of mind. I'm just a person who believes in peace through the right.

My point was that conservatism is really what mankind needs to acheive a utopia. With conservatism, all life would be protected, from abortion (by banning it), from war (by defeating terror, communism, ect.), and drugs (by supressing it and teaching people not to use them).

 

Great, now mother, & child can die together. After she desperately tries to find a way to rid herself of unwanted pregnancy.
Yay, please control what is done with my body for me you big control freak you. I want it sooooo bad. [/sarcasm]
Looks like the only reason I need to pay you any mind is while watching my back.

 

This same sort of debate was going on about slavery before the Civil War, you know. Do you support slavery?

Can you refute that life would be protected if abotion were abolished? Just imagine, EVERY life concieved a life LIVED! Think of the doctors! The scientists! The musicians! The philosophers!

Can you refute that life would be protected if we abolished war through the Bush doctrine? Imagine, hate not being taught around the world. ACTUAL PEACE! Even if it takes a hundred years. Let's start thinking like the North Vietnamiese in terms of commitment here.

Can you refute that life would be protected if drugs were abominated? Imagine, ALL minds untarnished! If it can be taught it is wrong to murder then it can be taught it is wrong to rape your own mind!

Think about it.

 

Actual peace can come to a household when a son stands up to his drunken father and stops him beating his mother!

 

Yet alcohol is the legal substance. Yeah, government intervention really works, how could we have missed that it's really about MORALS?

Yes, I can refute it, with some the six billion people that have LIVED! You really think all the GREAT philosophers, scientists, & musicians of the future have been aborted?
The Bush doctrine... You're actually serious. The guy that partied and snorted cocaine?

 

About drugs:
Alcohol beat drugs to the post. Simple as that. Humanity will deal with it in the long run. Drugs are still on other side of the law, and we can still stop them from crossing.

About abortion: Think of the millions that have perished in this country alone since 1973. Dont you agree that every individual is unique? Who knows what special and beautiful minds have been lost.

About Bush: How can one judge a man by rumor and heresay that is thirty years old? Could he not have been changed, like all of us? Especially by the huge responsibilities of the most powerful position in the world? And what about the doctrine itself? Has terrorism ever been so directley confronted?

 

I disagree with you in so many ways it's painful. They aren't individuals when they haven't formed a mind to think with yet. They are not sentient beings at the time of abortion.
Anything else is emotional bullshit.

If you want to use his DOCTRINE, then you need to face the fact that his mind is NOT 'untarnished' as you put it.
Terrorism is viewed differently depending on where you are. To much of the world we are the terrorists.

 

Abortion prevents the potential for a life that could have had a meaningful impact on the world. I cannot understand how anyone could support ending a life before it had a chance, or could even defend itself. It is MURDER, plain and simple.


And the reason much of the worold thinks we're terrorists is because of the hate they have been taught. We are fighting in Iraq to change that, and WE ARE WINNING!

 

How does Bush's ass smell, justwow?

You really want the federal government to have control over the uteruses of women?

What about "retroactive" abortion? You want a VAGINA WARRANT?? You want to search the medical records (breach of privacy) to track down all women and doctors who've taken part in it and sentence them to capital punishment (something you conservatives love)?

Huh? Is that what you want???

We're WINNING????????????????? Damn, I am glad that W. gives you an update of our "progress" each time you lick his shithole. If they hate us because we have "freedom" as your Dictator says, why haven't they attacked...oh, I don't know...SWEDEN? THE NETHERLANDS? I am mean Amsterdam is such a den of sin, you know. Freedom? Ha ha...

You need to study the history of America and the Middle East, my friend. And not from some book written by Rush Limbaugh or Pat Buchanan.

You are either naive or in denial if you truly believe we were attacked on 9/11 because we are "free". And I suppose you think Bush wants to "spread freedom" too, right?

What kind of "freedom"? His own? The PATRIOT ACT kind? Ha ha...

Go ahead and put your head back in Bush's ass because it would take years to clean up your mind from all the shit he has crapped in your brain.

 

You really are not only completely unlearned in even the most basic history of our nation's actions abroad, but are clearly locked in a delusion of media-spun soundbites fresh from the desk of Herr Karl. To suggest you subscribe to any legitimate notion of "love" is a mockery of the term itself.

Wake up child and smell the lies, crimes against humanity and flagrant organised criminality which ARE the "War on Terror", before you wind up a broken cynical shell of a man who has come to recognise too late the illusion he has clung to for too long.

You'd do well to actually go and experience the world and peoples concerning which you so readily parrot your hand me down falsehoods. The decades-long truth of the suffering and death visited by Washington and our corporate serving Pentagon upon countless innocent civilians (not to mention numerous covert CIA subversions of democratically elected governments and financing/training of fascist death squads) has obviously not penetrated your flag enshrouded brain.

You can even start with familiarising yourself with the Pentagon Papers and the modus operandi they exposed of institutionalised criminality and lies which characterise our Executive Branch and military industrial complex and those who serve its voracious appetites for global economic subjugation at any cost (even that of our own Constitution) to this very day. Then go a step further and attempt to grasp the fact that it is in the very cradle of this operational doctrine of lies and misinformation that our current militant leaders began their political careers.

Maybe, just maybe you'll come to realise that respect for America, and indeed democratic principle itself, means recognising these organised crime lords and abusers of power for what they are and standing with those who rightly oppose them for their betrayal of the nation.

Or you can continue to demonstrate your blissfully insulated ignorance of reality by spouting more scripted "talking points".

[Oh, and for the record, we are NOT in Iraq for anything remotely connected to the fictitious charade you are sold daily about "terrorists".]