So What's The Deal With The Confederate Flag Anyway?

I really have no idea how this is a valid comparison. I live in a middle class neighborhood that is about 50% black, 50% white. We get a lot of the boom boom cars in our neighborhood, mostly driven by black teens but some white teens as well. Its really annoying but the kids, white and black, are perfectly nice.

They aren't screaming racial slurs at me as they drive by. They aren't ruining my son's birthday party or making me feel unsafe. They're just being annoying teenagers.

So in short what I'm getting from you is all black people have to do to be labeled threatening is behave in a harmless yet annoying manner, but white people have to yell racial slurs and ruin a kid's birthday party before they're perceived as a threat.

 

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It can be a big problem in business, when we have to deal with Northerners. They frequently assume that we're all stupid and ultra-conservative and racist, until we prove otherwise.

Once again, it is. A lot of black Southerners don't care to discuss it with white people, thinking it's pointless. People like you are going to think whatever you want to think, no matter what anyone says.

 

And they probably get a kick out of the exaggerated way these people try to dispel these assumptions. I know I do.

People like me? What are you, some kind of bigot? You're discriminating against people with opinions and that offends me.

Most southern blacks are more worried about institutionalized racism and classism, ie the war on drugs, corporatism, police aggression etc.

This whole thing with the flag is beyond petty and ridiculous, and is only a topic of debate because so many are too short sighted to see that the media is pushing this agenda on us for other reasons. It just shows how stupid humanity really is.

 

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I do it by working harder and doing a better job than everybody else. I shouldn't have to, but I don't get the benefit of the doubt.

I basically start out in these situations with three strikes against me. I'm a white Southerner, I'm female, and I'm not butt-ugly or overweight. You know, there's an assumption that women who look a certain way are airheads who get through life coasting on looks. Thank god, I'm not a natural blond! That would be four strikes, before the first pitch is thrown.

:rofl: Cute.

I definitely believe that they're more interested in the things you mentioned than they are about statues and memorials to dead Confederate soldiers. However, when black employees at the SC state capitol told me face to face they were offended by having to walk past that CSA battle flag every day, sick and damn tired of it, I took them at their word. They came across as very sincere.

Can you imagine a KKK rally around that flag, just three weeks after the assassination of a black member of the state legislature? SC is better than that, in 2015.

 

Absolutely. Though I'm sure there were those that were not slave owners or land holders that were duped by confederate propaganda.

 

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Karen - "Why would all other black Americans be required to agree with that one individual?"

Well if we go by that rule, then nobody has to agree with anybody, making banning the flag absolutely pointless because it's validated right in this thread that barely anybody agrees with one another on anything. We've got haters who hate different aspects and defenders who don't agree with one another. But it's been confirmed by many people right here, that the flag is NOT racist to them. I think once people get that in their heads, and stop being so stubborn, that it is real that a lot of people don't actually believe that it's as bad as the next person thinks.

I get everyone has their blatant opinions, but you can't just sit there and adamantly state what that flag means to everyone on a whole when there's a high percentage that doesn't agree with you on what the flag means to them personally.

 

I wish I could have seen the black folks smile, wave and invite them to the party. Need to reach a point where the words of old, roll off the intended victims like water off a ducks back. Course I'm not black (pretty brown though) and I do have a temper occasionally, soooooo-----don't
know, bottom line. It's better I suppose, to be able to overtly identify the NECKS by their symbols.

 

If you could go back in time and talk to soldiers on both sides, you would hear all kinds of reasons for being there, depending somewhat on which of the four years you were there. Not to be overlooked is the draft that both sides had, so they had plenty of guys in the infantry who didn't give a rat's ass about the war's major issues. That was especially true on the northern side. Plenty of them didn't care what went on in the South, or whether it remained a part of the US or not. But... the punishments for draft evasion or desertion were severe, including the death penalty, so they had no real option but to fight. By the fall of 1864, every Southern adult man who could walk and carry a gun had been drafted; no exceptions.

As the war went on, things got increasingly personal as more and more people knew somebody who had died in the war, or suffered other serious personal loss. Lee did Lincoln a big favor by invading Maryland in September of 1862, giving a big boost to recruiting, and giving him political and legal cover for issuing the Emancipation Proclamation on the day after the battle. The South had become a lethal hazard to loyal US residents, giving Lincoln just cause for taking extraordinary action by executive order inside the states participating in the rebellion.

Quite a few Southern historical scholars believe that Lee lost the moral high ground (if he ever had it) when he crossed the Potomac River. He was no longer simply protecting his home turf. He did it again the next summer (Gettysburg).

 

When I put out a flag, it doesn't matter if some people think it isn't racist. If a significant number of people DO think it's racist and offensive, I'm not going to fly it.

It's just that simple.

 

That kkk chapter was from NC. I was watching it live streaming on vice news and it was pathetic. I don't really understand how they think that gets any message across except they are idiots.

I notice you didn't mention the black panthers rally. How do you feel about that?

 

What about religion then, if a vast majority of people around you are religious, do you conform to their standards for the day?

Or non religious around non religious people?

If eating meat around a group of vegetarians is offensive to them, do you then lose out on your meal just to make them feel better?

If you're fishing for food to feed your family and an enviro person complains that what you're doing is animal cruelty and is offensive to them, do you stop fishing for food for the family?

I think just because someone else thinks something, that doesn't mean anything and shouldn't mean anything to anyone really. Otherwise my whole life I'd never speak or be myself for fears that it'll upset someone or what I say and how I go might be offensive to somebody else... we may as well all conform to one religious agenda and be done with it, all go for a sleek looking one piece Star Trek suit and be carbon copies of one another.

I just don't see it being healthy to deny who or what you believe, for the sake of someone else who's pushing their own beliefs and agenda onto you.

 

In America, everyone is so afraid of offending someone else anymore that nobody can have their own opinion. Everyone defaults to the majority opinion, or else you are considered ignorant, or a redneck, or some other term that's approved by the PC crowd.

 

Both rallies turned out to be equally irrelevant.

In Columbia this summer, rational political debate prevailed over extremism.

 

None of this is applicable to the subject at hand. No one is banning the flag, it was simply removed from government property.

People still have the right to fly their own flag. I have the right to judge them. What's the problem?

 

I agree, America has becoem so fucking pussified it makes me sick.

 

No problem, I'm just defending an individual's right to fly a flag.

 

r u fucking kidding me? ... another ****** behavior coddler ..

yeah Im a racist cause I hate ****** behavior whether it be white niggers or black niggers..

 

Robert E Lee should have been shot after the war. Not literally because putting the country back together was more important than dolling out punishment, but in a moral sense he should have been shot as the criminal traitor he was. As for the street? Let's save time and say it was a different Bobby Lee.