I know of you nothing but joy. I meant by upset, any malaise of the people. One foot in front of the other. Causing one to move too fast can cause a tumble for the unaccustomed and we don't want to go as far as inducing fear. But an example may revise the belief in death. Quite!!! It is an arrogant belief, that of usurping the power of god. That would be like undoing what you are and there is no such thing as nonexistence. Any one who honest with themselves may look inside and find a quiet space in themselves that no event in life has corrupted. Time vested in self denial has made that fact appear dim to many and they would insist that they are unworthy, but there remains ever in everyone, a child who is prone to joy. If there was a moment of fear in the mind of the children of god, it occurred so long ago that there is no one who remembers, but that same choice is being made in the present as though it were not being made at all, but rather, inherited? I am is the surname I inherit in creation, not, I am a sinner.
thedope: If it has for you, how could I argue? Changing what we are is the conscious act of becoming what we are. Hijacking the world with joy appeals to my imagination. Not from any conceit in or pretence to power, but from its overflow. Asking it to dance in everything! A bestowing through abundance as opposed to propriety. Too often our truth is told, to its detriment. We don't know how to mete out our joy, how to make sense of it to others, to invest it...but we do, as it's a never-ending invitation to more. Then how is it that it's swept under the compulsion to see that 'everything' has its place!? It will never have it for it always has! What?! To give joy not place per se, but precedence...that is a feat that can't be achieved posthumously. To extend our best to everyone unconditionally, I have no idea how to do that unless we allow our best to become our sole condition...and at that point, I... I may here have overstepped the mark, but I don't know where it actually is! If anyone is afraid I have, well, how afraid are you? Have I after all? : D We must begin the search for this child immediately! Even if we have already found them! I'm serious! They love to hide!
belief in death is like being happy you are going to die? But the sin of it should be able to at least tell the difference between the self-consciousness of believing and the self-consciousness of the unexpectant state of happiness <life just goes on?> But there is the sudden distinction to be made between objective happiness and the subjective.
'Belief in death' is only the conviction that it's inevitable. However, this one "certainty" of life is really entirely uncertain. Everything reasonable about it is always dressed in the consolation of philosophy. Which in its own way is admirable, but nevertheless still only a nervous assessment of the 'odds'. : D What about the sudden distinction?
Now I am only nervous about the odds of people admitting the communication on the internet that is missing over the major political leaders.:sunny:
I used to be very convinced of death. We are taught to care more or less. The world is not full of unprincipled men but men who have learned so well unsound principles. Our best becomes our sole condition when we are free with our care. The thing that appears to prohibit that freedom, is fear. I fear not for thou art with me.
But then, are you positive enough for the western cultures of New YorK type establishments. How will this public show of ignoring each other's privacy SHOW?
Surprisingly I am sly and able to weave through and about them. It is not a matter of positive thinking but of awareness of what is. The positive thought, initial faith, is only the beginning of a feedback loop that supports itself on real things. That is, I am fluent in many vernaculars, have been of many classes or stations in this life and made myself over time and again.
I'm not going to float around with you pair up in the clouds, speaking words to each other that I doubt that you yourselves understand what you both are saying, I'm sure I can't. So I'll wait until you both come down to earth, and get your feet back on the ground and begin to speak in an understandable language, before I'll even bother to enter into a debate with you. But as this Thread is about sin, I'll just put my two bobs worth in. In reffence to the people of his day, who believed that sin was to break any of the black and white written letters of the law, Jesus said, "The world is wrong about sin." You must understand that death is the result of sin, and death was in the world from Adam until the law was introduced through Moses, and as Paul says, the obedience to the written law can only bring death. Adam was the first human being on this earth, and he was created from the spirit (Information) of all the species that preceded man. Adam was commanded to gain dominion over the world and to subdue it. The Ancestral spirit that dwelt behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of his earthly tent/tabernacle, which was Adam, was the compilation of all the animal and pre-animal spirit/information that had been gathered from the first organic molecule that had developed within the slimy primeval pools of inorganic material, in the evolution/development of Adam. And the sin of Adam, who was the personality of Godhead to the pre-flood body of mankind, was that he refused to bow to the will of his immediate past animal ancestor. When the seventh from Adam, "Enoch" was carried to the throne of the Godhead to the most high in the creation, he was 365, this is the number of days in a calendar year, which is the age of the unblemished Lamb of God. Enoch, as I am sure you will know, was the only exception of all mankind, who is recorded in the word of God, as having been taken to God, see Genesis 5: 23; and in Hebrew 11: 5; you will see that he was translated in order that he should never experience death. To translate something, you change it from one form to another. Is there a greater man recorded in the Bible than Enoch? It is written, that when Enoch was carried up to the throne of the Godhead to the most high in the creation, which most high, is the body of mankind, the Lord of creatures and the prototype of the Lord of Spirits, who is the invisible Godhead to the body of man, and Lord to the invisible godheads of the species that are lower than mankind on the ladder of creation, which spiritual godheads dwell in a highrer time dimension than this three dimensional world that actually co-exists within this visible world. (For the Kingdom of God is within you.) Psalma 82:1; "Our God presides in the heavenly council; in the assembly of the gods he gives His decisions." When Adam was condemed, all who he becomes, was condemned also. Enoch was placed before the heavenly throne, that was surrounded by the brilliant godheads to the earthly species, and the Lord, who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel, which could save only one man, said to the glorious ones tempting them, "This is the one I have chosen, it is my will that Enoch should stand before my face into all eternity. Then the glorious creatures bowed down and replied, he will be released, according to your will, Enoch was then stripped of his earthly garment and anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God, which shone with the brilliance of the sun, and behold, he was as one of the glorious ones. Enoch is the one who was anointed as the heir to the throne of the Godhead to the most high in the creation. The body in which Adam was the supreme personality of Godhead, was submerged in the baptismal waters of the earth and the new personality of Godhead, "Enoch" arose from those waters. It is He, the only exception of all mankind to have ascended to the highest heaven, within the body of post- flood mankind, evolving on the spirits of man, who evolved to become the Great Simulacrum, the body of Light, which is the blue print for the new species that will dwell on earth among mankind, "The Son of Man," that higher species that comes from the body of man, to whose will, mankind must submit or die. It is He who IS in heaven, who came down as spirit/Mind and said to Abraham the tenth from Noah, "In blessing, I will bless you, and in multiplying, I will multiply you. Jesus was the first fruits to be harvested from the body of mankind, the first of many brothers, (144,000 in all) to be raised from the supposed dead past of The Son of Man, the great Simulacrum, who dies in the process of involution for our salvation. He chose Jesus, as the first fruits, as Jesus was in the direct line of descent from Abraham, in who was the living spirit of the evolving Enoch, to which spirit, none from the line of "the blessing of first born," had been gathered at the time of Abraham's birth as all his ten ancestors were alive at that time. And it was to the living evolving spirit of Enoch in the bosom of Abraham, to who was gathered, the spirits of all the good people who had fallen asleep in righteousness after paying the blood price for their inherited sin, which righteous blood, was the ransom for the life of Jesus, who was the compilation of all that ancestral spirit. Jesus, the obedient servant to his indwelling living Father Enoch, was who Enoch had become at that point in time. And Like our brother Jesus, who is the chosen heir to Enoch: the chosen ones, who will rule beneath him, will be born Sons of God as he was, not by blood, nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man, but by the spirit that desended upon him in the form of a dove, as he rose from the baptismal waters, which were symbolic of the waters in which the new Godhead succeded the old Godhead "Adam", as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, THIS DAY I have begotten thee." See the more ancient authorities of Luke 3:22; before it was changed by the church of Constantine. In Luke 3: 22; In place of "Thou art my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" the following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, "This Day I Have begotten thee," vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old Latin (a, b, c, ff. I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactatius (AD. 300), Hilary (AD,) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD, 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased." Whereas the original variant was, "Thou art my Son. THIS DAY I have begotten thee." He who was born of the flesh as are all human beings, was born the first of the Son's of God, not by blood, nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man, but by the spirit of our Lord God and saviour, who chose his sons, even before they were born.
Sword: Why? Because it is written? We all like to write, and we love to overwrite. You must understand death to know what it is the result of. But no-one has. It's not your fault Sword! : D
I don't know what a bob is but you are long winded enough that we really don't require two of them. Now is there something you don't understand about what is being said. To communicate be specific, your characterizations allow you no opportunity for comprehension. I concur we are an agglomerate of life. There is no opposing will. creation is a law with out opposite. In the kingdom of heaven, the first become last and the last first. When was he condemned? Higher and lower are vain assessments. You are dreaming.
I could almost agree with you roamy. But what amazes me the most, is how some people can use such a multitude of meaningless words to say less than nothing. There is no flesh to their words, they cannot seem to get their feet back on the ground, they are lost to the world of meaning and reality. They drift among their mist-like clouds of nothingness and are irrelevant to all but themselves.
Directly to you. Is it that you don't understand english? When was man condemned and who condemned him?
Actually, I'm a "bob", with a capital "B", I suppose. Ironically, I feel the same way you do, but concerning your own writing. Strangely, though I don't necessarily agree in total with his assessments, I find S-word's portrayals more understandable than your own.
Hi Bob, I can appreciate that. What I would prefer is that if I am incomprehensible, that someone ask questions of specific things that are not clear, rather than just saying it is beyond help. I don't speak of "christianity", christian dogma or tradition. I speak about christ teaching in relation to the practical things of life. It is a different way of addressing the things that concern us. The problem with theology is that it appeals only to those who are interested in theology and theology offers no practical solutions, just a hierarchical outline.
A practical theology is the only legitimate one. When something tends to lose people in dogma or wordiness, I either write it off to eccentrism and self-absorption, or hierarchically derived beliefs.
That is a characterization involving no specific complaint. My presentation is anything but dogmatic and I would be willing to bet, I am no where near as wordy, as for example, you. I try to say things in as brief a manner possible so as not to challenge attention spans. What do you mean by hierachically derived beliefs? I understand you can believe in a hierarchy but I don't quite understand how you derive belief from hierarchy.
Hello there arthur itis! You should carry the name "Arthur," with pride. That was the name of my father, the greatest lying self proclaimed atheist you could ever meet. I say "Lying," because that man exhibited more love and true religion in any one hour, than most people could portray in a whole life time. Sitting by his death bed speaking to him, shortly after the doctor had told me that he only had a few days left, and they would be rough days, as the old man refused all their pain killing drugs. anyways, he says to me, "you've been here long enough son, you've got a family to support go back to your family and when the times right, you can come back and bury me." To which I answered, "I might just stick around for a bit longer dad, cos that quack reckons that the next few days might just be a bit rough." Then looking at me he said, "Son, that old bastard up there has never given me an easy day in my whole life, why should the next few be any different?" And yet I'll bet you ten pounds to a pinch of sh-t, they were waiting for him with open arms. There was no guile in that man, what you saw is what you got, and unless you were attacking him, all that you would get is love and a helping hand, no matter what trouble you had got yourself into. So, like I have said, wear that name with pride, mate, I pray that you never bring dishonour to it..
But his name's bob, with a B. He's paying off his sins with arthritis until he cashes himself in for an 'afterlife' he may never have fallen for without the help of people like yourself, Sword. : D Can't you take a joke mate? You can sure as hell take a lie. Peace to your dad.
Isaiah 6: 8; Then I heard the lord say, "Whom shall I send? Who will be our messenger?" I answered, "I will go, send me!" So he told me to go and give to the people this message: "No Matter how much you listen, you will not understand. No matter how much you look, you will not know what is happening.” Then he said to me, “Make the minds of these people dull, their ears deaf, and their eyes blind, so they cannot see, hear, or understand. If they did, they would turn to me, and I would have to forgive them. Who was it who spoke in parables in order to make the minds of the people dull, their eyes blind, and their ears deaf? Look to Matthew 13: 10 to 17; If you wish to know the one who has made the minds, of the accussers of this world, dull, their eyes blind, and their ears deaf to the truth, the one who spoke these words through his obedient host body, who he had chosen from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name, which man, stated the he spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by the spirit with which he had been filled, which spirit had descended upon him in the form of a dove. We live under the new covenant of God, we do not live by the written law, because to be obedient to the written law, rather that the spirit of the law, can only bring death. If my lie can save a person who is being pursued by violent men, then I will gladly lie, to not do so, would be sin. If I could feed the staving childen, by stealing from the great storehouse of food that has been locked away by a totaliitarian government, then I would. To not do so, if given the opportunity, would be to sin. For I tell you now that you can lie There is a time to steal, There is a time to disobey, There is a time to kill. There is a work that must be done Upon the Sabbath Day. No one who understands the Lord Would teach another way. For the spirit judges not on what you do, The Heart and soul of man He searches through It's the REASON, why those deeds are done, This is what the Lord God judges on. There are two ways to every action, sin and righteousness. The person who does good deeds for others out of love and compassion toward their fellow man, those deed to them shall be counted as righteousness. The person who does good deeds for others, simply to climb the social ladder and be seen in the eyes of their society as more important that others. Their good deeds will be seen by the Lord as filthy manstural rags. The same actions: Different motives.
