Should welfare recipients have to pass a drug test?

so you are not going to answer me? Or are you just taking your time getting around to it? The issue this thread is about isn't hippies or love or hate or corporations. Drug testing.... welfare recipients.... remember?

 

And i don't appreciate being refered to as "people like you", and i don't think you can point to a post in this thread where i have shown "hate".


personally i don't like "people like you" who can't make an arguement or point and instead use generalities and personal attacks, "hateful" attacks.

 

You're on a hippie site, remember?

 

What does that have to do with the topic of the thread or my unanswered questions?

I've been coming to this site for at least 6 years, i think i have a good idea about what it is.

 

Welfare recipients should only be drug tested when everyone including elected politicians and corporate officers are also tested. Why should anyone be subjected to infringements of their privacy while others are exempt?

Our tax dollars are also used to pay the salaries of elected officials, and in the cause of protecting corporate interests. So why selectively target one group of citizens over another.

 

whoever wants to work should

whoever does not want to work should be guaranteed a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs

work does not make you a human being

ingesting various herbs or chemicals does not make you less of one

 

At whose expense? Roofs do not build themselves and food doesn't gather on it's own, it takes workers, those who labor in order to produce the roofs and the food. Those who don't want to work living off of the labor of those who do... sounds like slavery to me.

 

slavery is forcing a person to work

inhumanity is allowing that person to starve

[ayn rand is inhuman, imho]

 

I don't get your point. Slavery is forcing a person to work for others. And refusing to work for another person is not "forcing" that other person to do anything, it's allowing them to do as they please, which in this case would be not working. So, are you advocating on behalf of the humanity involved in slavery then? If a person refuses to work but is gauranteed the products of work, the work of others, how is that not inhumane to those who work when the product of their labor is stolen from them and given to those who refuse to labor? Also, in what way is it inhumane to allow those who refuse to work to reap the consequences of that decision, just as those who do choose to work reap the benefits?

 

hmmmm....well, I'm not in the US but I'm pretty sure that up here, it would be illegal for the government to refuse welfare checks to people who cant pass a drug test, I'm pretty sure drug addiction is considered a disability...I dont even think that you can refuse to hire a drug addict or someone who does drugs unless its a BFOR, like if you're gonna be a cop or something...

 

So if an employer had an applicant who said straight out "i like to smoke meth before work and snort a line or two of columbia's finest on my lunch break", the employer could be penalized for refusing to hire that person for those reasons?

 

absolutely not, hiring a drug addict isnt the same as hiring someone who does drugs at work or goes to work on drugs

 

Didn't you say this?:

 

So, how exactly is hiring someone who gets loaded when they get home from work going to harm a company?

 

You answer my questions first.

 

Yes, because a drug addict has so much control over his drug use, they are well known for waiting for the proper time and place to use drugs...

"I'm addicted to methamphetamines! But only between the hours of 5-9 PM eastern standard time!"

 

YES.

There, I answered your question.

You need to keep track of the conversation here, seems you're getting a bit confused.

I never said that every person who does drugs is an addict. You were refering to my comment about not being able to refuse work to someone who does drugs. There is a difference between doing them on your own time versus doing them on company time.

Are you trying to say that every alcoholic gets drunk at work? That every cokehead must have a fix every 10 minutes?

 

What makes you think that every job a person has is a 9-5er?

 

Not the point. the point is an addict, by definition, lacks control concerning his dependency on drugs. It doesn't matter if it's a 9-5 or 3-11 or 11-7, the employer is still going to run into a problem of having an employee who can't control his drug use, right?

 

So which statement are you going to go with, do they have to hire non-addicted drug users or not?

Yes! Do you know alcoholics or cokeheads? thats why they go to AA meetings, because their drug addiction ruins their friendships, their relationships with family members, and yes their careers.

Do you undertand what an addict is?