Should we be trying to help those "black magicians"

the Op was referring to discordant power mad wizards. i'm the one who made a play on the "black magician" term.

 

I have often wondered about the possibility of some connection...a major theme in my experience is the contrast / comparison psychic vs psychotic. My stepdaughter is bipolar, and she's strongly intuitive to the point of psychic. My spirit guide Deanna, who is profoundly psychic, is bipolar. And etc.

A very GOOD thought, windy. It bears consideration. And reminds me of a thought I had spoken of a year or two ago, as to whether there was some evolutionary advantage to the human race in having genes in the gene pool for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia - there does seem to be an awful lot of it.

Good news! I was hoping this was a more permanent development.

 

when the voices of my imaginary friends appeared in my head my first thought was "WTF?". my second thought was "uh oh. am i crazy? schizophrenic?"

i'm STILL don't know what THAT was all about. a brief psychotic break? or a psychic experience? sure is hard to tell the difference ... if there is a difference.

 

Yours definitely is a puzzling case. And I'm still wondering if there was any connection between me declaring my intentions of participating in your mental discussions and your imaginary friends' sudden disappearance.

 

I know I picked right up on it and embellished upon it by giving credence to your argument


Hotwater

 

I guess it is now incorrect to use the term "magicians of color?" I find the term "African-American magicians" somewhat problematic, as it omits any dark-skinned African-ancestry magicians who may not be citizens of the USA (or of any other North or South American countries, if you really want to get technical).

 

True but the term african american magicians (although somewhat inaccurate) captures the true spirit and essence of the meaning


Hotwater

 

It IS quite a mouthful, though. In the amount of time it takes to say "African American" you could have rolled and smoked an entire joint (had you been so inclined).

Oh fine, I admit that is a slight exaggeration. However those two words DO tie up the vocal apparatus for a somewhat inordinate amount of time. I realize I'm tilting at windmills, however it seems to me that a shorter term would be much more helpful, and would significantly improve the overall productivity of the human race by eliminating wasted time. For example, what about, say, the term "Afmer?" Eh? Short, unique, and somewhat intuitive and user-friendly. Not as speedy as "black," certainly, but a major improvement over the longwinded denotation currently in vogue.

 

I was watching a special on PBS about the 1960s civil rights movement and they showed footage of a classroom full of kids who each in turn identified their nationality as afro-american.

Perhaps we could shorten it afro-american :2thumbsup:


Hotwater

 

Still a little on the lengthy side, but I suppose there's no point me trying to mess with it - the die is cast.

 

well, i've pondered on the phenom quite a bit. i think it's possible that it was i who shut down the communications. not on purpose but subconsciously. since i was already feeling rather threatened with insanity perhaps the idea of you joining the conversations going on my head caused me to build walls, which is a shame because it would have been interesting.

 

Could be, hard to say. And then there's the question of whether I could have participated if I had tried. I suppose you saw this thread, where I was trying to send a telepathic message to Telepath:

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=422588

 

Disregarding the psychic stuff for a moment, a far more significant question is: "To what extent should we support compulsive liars, cheats and those who continually harm?"

I think this dilemma hits all generally good people at some point. Someone is clearly not a team player, they're just out for themselves, they're probably messed up in the head and their minds are distorted. It may even be someone who is hurting others without trying to change their ways, or they could be mentally sick in some way without getting help. But they are human, you have empathy for them, and they undoubtedly have some good qualities, as it is rarely black and white. You too have done wrong in the past, everyone makes mistakes, and so on...

So when has the time come to say "enough. Sort yourself out or you are no longer part of the group." On the one hand, if we keep cheats lurking around in our lives, our lives are corrupted and made worse for it, and life is precious and short. It may also put those you love at risk. On the other hand, they are people, and if they are rejected by everyone, they may get into more trouble and do more damage, and despite this not being our responsibility, the thought upsets us.

Is humanity one big family regardless of peoples faults, even when they're major or harmful? Or is there a distinction between "good" and "bad" people despite lines blurring here and there, and the "good" should stick together and fight off the "bad"? I'm thinking about people who are not necessarily master criminals here, and not people who make the odd mistake, but those who are just sick or nasty people who constantly cheat and so on...

 

Maybe that's what it takes for some people in order to learn. The bottom line. To be rejected. Then they are forced to learn their lessons. There are alot of people out there who will just keep pushing buttons until they are forced to stop. I'm having a go around with a button pusher right now. I keep ignoring him. I think he finds that frustrating. Eventually he 'll move on and push someone elses buttons. Soon I hope.

 

It's kind of sad to think some people go thru life pissing people off and are always having everyone ignore them or avoid them. I've seen people like that. But what can one do? There's only so much and when a disrupter never seems to learn self awareness---ignoring them and letting them bug the next victim is about it. Or eliminating some buttons.

 

And maybe pushing some of theirs just for fun.

 

Yes. It is kinda sad. I think some people will do anything for attention even if it is negative. You know, like a child who is bound to get attention no matter what.
...and what you said about eliminating some buttons. Having this problem with this person has forced me to work on my own shit. A light side for every dark side. Though I wish it hadn't taken this to happen in order to deal with my shit, as police have been involved.

 

Hey Zen nuthin' comes up....or is that intended ya little button pusher lol,,,

 

They(?) say it's not what happens to you ,but how you react. The buttons,I guess. We all have 'em. Irritating and disloyal people can find mine easily.

 

Windy, it's what Deanna and her ilk have been doing to me for years - getting fired from my job, being unemployed for months, getting ridden out of town on a rail, being treated like dog droppings for years - I can tell ya, I have been in major button-elimination training...and still continuing. But you have my sympathy - I know it hurts like hell.