Should the US Withdraw from Afghanistan?

You can say "fuck" here the last time I checked.

Why should we not be selling weapons to India/Pakistan?

 

Of course we're backed by the "Emerging tentative Governments"
They want that delicious Eagle shit to keep flowing...

Yup, got that...

 

I must be a little thick today, I have no idea what you mean.
Using the few brain cells that are working, I don't think that negates the fact Iraqi and Afghan troops are working with us too.
Please direct your displeasure towards them too.
It's only fair.

Thanks. Only morons wants an endless war in those two countries.

 

It seems to me that by now(2010) humans would/could see exactly how the earth SHOULD be and stop relying on the age old methods of bullying each other around, supplying the modern equivalents of clubs and stones to gain power over fellow humans. Why have these methods remained the only way to interact with each other? Some diplomacy takes place ,but always to gain advantage over some country or people.Religion hasn't stopped humans from slaughtering each other. Rational thought hasn't stopped us from ignoring millions and millions of humans that have neither food nor shelter. This condition seems to make sense to some .Somehow--someone or some "thing" has to make us take the quantum leap to a new era that makes sense to those that have the power --to make them want to jerk humanity forward into a new era of peace,cooperation and concern for all ,instead of the endless battle to gain advantage over others by any means necessary.An era in which medical advances,education,science and technology serve all of humanity instead of engaging in the equally endless pursuit of money and power ,to the detriment of the earth and many on it. Unfortunately ,the old ways persist and will continue to do so. Should we get out of Afghanistan? What differance does it make--there are always more countries on which to use force-more people to slaughter-more resources to use up--the old ways abide---and the band plays on.

 

There are not enough people like us....that's why. 2billion v 4billion - you do the math.

 

I know. And what I said is boring --nobody gives a shit. So on we go.

 

To some it is boring.
Some people give a shit - please, never forget that.
What would we be doing in the event of peace, universal understanding and no foreign policies?...I say: prepping for alien invasion, building nuclear bombs under the vague notion a meteor might strike and we could do something and generally twindling our thumbs...?...I dunno. You tell me.

 

Odon, "Eagle shit" is slang for U.S. $$$ issued by the government. Most often heard from military wives and welfare folks...
" Well, the Eagle shits twice a month, so..."

What I'm referring to here is the millions if not billions of US dollars vaporizing in corruption and inadvertently, (sometimes directly) funding the Taliban through pay-offs, bribes, protection money and so forth. I'm talking about US contractors paying the Taliban not to blow up a newly constructed bridge until after the contractor is finished and paid for the job ( just one example). I'm sure you've heard of the pallets of money that are unaccounted for... that were apparently signed for by a guy named "Abdul"... or whatever...
And I certainly am directing my displeasure towards the Iraqi and Afghan troops as well. There is corruption all around.

Maybe we should just have someone else clean up this mess and send us a bill. Might end up cheaper.
Right now the goddam US military budget exceeds all other countries combined for fucksake!

I heard a military official saying the other day maybe we should try to "have some talks with the Taliban", try to get some agreements. Something that might have worked even better, I don't know..
FIFTEEN OR TWENTY YEARS AGO?!!!

What seems to be going on here, to me anyway, is an endless cycle of war for profit. 'specially now that they've "discovered" the mineral wealth of Afghanistan...
Does anyone really believe this is a new discovery?

I'm afraid we ain't gettin' out any time soon.

ZW

 

I personally am beginning to think that we should bring all of our soldiers home from every country we are in, and then when a country needs our help just turn over and go back to sleep. After all no one cares if we help or not. Some Americans should be forced to give up their citizenship and move to another country, since all they do is bitch, moan and complain. No one in the USA is entitled to anything except an opportunity to try.

 

Thanks for that response, ZW.
I understand where you are coming from now.
I would wonder if the "emerging tentative governments" want peace or an ongoing war in their country...disregarding their own people.
I have seen far to many quangos reports to accept this with out question, but I am open to your argument, it seems, if not slightly bizarre...possible.
It seems fairly simplistic a notion to me...but I am one of the most pedantic people you will ever have the "pleasure" to meet.
If your premise is correct and If "they" are apparently as bad as "us"...we are basicallly fucked.

I'll only debate this if you wish.
I think I have made my point, you have certainly made yours.

 

Studying the human brain, learning to recycle completely, eliminating diseases, establishing a base on the moon and then mars and then-? It's psychologically known that to elminate a facet of a person's actions,ie: a habit like smoking,something needs to take it's place. Same with weaning a whole species off detrimental past forms of interaction. Some areas like a few states here and areas in other countries could/should be HEAVEY capitalism where those who wanted could still engage in the rough and tumble power struggles of capitalism we see throughout the world,but on a smaller scale. Accumulation of whatever stood for value would be up to those inside the areas. On the island of YAP,carved rocks were used as money/items of trade,usually carved into doughnut shapes. Some were so large that they couldn't be moved ,so when ownership changed--they stayed where they were. (How many rocks does a man need?)Anyone could go to these areas and play the game, but could never play the games outside of these areas. Money for labor outside those areas would be the same,only much more fair than now. No more billionaires. Personal wealth could total no more than 5 million,any excess going for the good of all. Workers(everyone)would own the methods of production,NOT THE STATE. Now--go crazy-I am.

 

We living in an age of Paradox... It's quite apparent to me. (sigh)
The idea of the advancement of the human race has always been a hoax. I'm guessing our peak was probably pre-agricultural.
Only God knows what cool shit we've lost since then...

ZW

 

Why the hell would we want bases on the moon/mars?

So, all of this is capitalism's fault now?
I thought your argument would be better than that.
*dissapointed*
I'm sorry my response is slightly sarcastic and slightly rude.

 

Wow, you mean like we did with East Timor?

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Asia/GenocideEastTimor_Z.html
The U.S. role in the recent catalog of horrors in East Timor is deep and far reaching, the culmination of over three decades of nurturing the Indonesian fascist regime. Just as the U.S. mainstream media has attempted to suppress the clear connection between the Indonesian military and its militias in carrying out genocide in East Timor, the U.S. government and its corporate sponsors vigorously deny any role in the slaughter and devastation there.



ZW

 

Odon ,that's OK. I'm just floppin' around trying to figure something out that makes some kind of sense. The world as it is doesn't make much. I'm alright in my own little world.

 

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Thank You.
I like/prefer magnanimous responses.
We don't get enough of them around here.
...my thoughts on these issues are just "floppin' around" too...
I'll be glandly proven innacurate.
I'd never think or say you are talking shit, but I'm still not hot on your argument. Sorry.

 

Well,it seems like SOMETHING differant has to happen. I like to take discussions to their logical end,as much as I can. Example: world population has been increasing as long as we've been here. Take that and extrapolate it to a logical end. Finite resources and growing population=chaos somewhere down the line. Very few are even talking about population control and certain religions are totally against it. Anyway,I wish somebody/ies would come up with some ideas that contrast with what exists now. Are we hogtied to the past? Aren't there any NEW ideas?

 

....and own interest in all natural resources.

 

Yup--for the benefit of all as managed in a senseble way. (Help me out here,ZW--or should we go on as usual?)

 

I don't think your current argument has been taken to it's logical end.
World populations spike and also fall.
We are spiking at the moment.
We will fall,...our young and then old then young will prevent us having equilibrium or a drastic impact on the resouces we can use (financially speaking).
We seem to falter when our economies fail.
We have the knowledge to make 2+2=5 now.
GM crops, medicines etc...help us continue too.

I'm not quite sure I know what you want.