Should the United Nations Be Allowed To Disarm Amerika ??ns

i have sheep, goats, cows and chickens. coyotes don't register their teeth; bobcats don't register their claws. i tossed a 5 and a half foot kingsnake out of the chicken coop yesterday (no firearm needed-good snake, but not welcome in my chicken pen), but he's not going to register his maw. i am far enough away from the cops, if something does happen, they can collect the body (likely, mine).

bullshit...kill the goddam killers. act like we have a little sense..wasting our time on trying to do something about the already law abiding and sensible people is typical of mouth running idiots who don't have enough to keep them busy. this distracts from the basic issue...we don't do a damn thing about the truly dangerous among us, and that includes many politicians and the power grabbing u.n.. it's astounding to me how fucking brain dead much of society is....if you have a threat, it's because that threat has already reached the conclusion that what you have should be theirs for the taking or your existence is inconsequential. killers (and politicians) are just like coyotes...doing what comes natural to them. since many now sound like they are just like rabbits...then they are prey. get eaten. stop whining about it. that's the way nature designed the system...either you're predator or prey....the middle ground is full of flapping gums full of sound and fury...signifying nothing. breed some more rabbits...mother nature provided rabbits for the predators to eat...nature's smorgasbord. here, have a carrot, bugs.

 

The United Nations should certainly be able to kiss my honky ass.

 

Not if they're going to take us over with weapons and make us follow another hitler....

 

As much as I would like there to be complete disarmament, it's not going to happen. No country would agree to disarmament, and to force a country to disarm would require weapons in the first place, so that is counter-productive.

It going to take a change in thinking before we can come to that.

 

the amerikan people do not need to be disarmed to follow "another hitler"

so many of us were so eager to follow the real one back before december of 1941 . . .

 

eugenics originated in the u.s. i have read in other places besides this one...

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

y'all all try to not be deniers....and at least consider the matter. what is 'taking guns away from the skeered rednecks who cling to guns and religion', except 'more eugenics'? i did not object, because i was not a redneck...and then they came for me (to paraphrase).

and i came upon this after i had logged off...too good not to share. let's get rid of those nasty hunters...anyone who kills and eats animals. obviously, they are genetically inappropriate...as are the ones who think a firearm is a beautiful and interesting work of functional art...while we're at it, people who fish for 'sport' are not so nice, either....this would work. it would single out a new, unprotected minority that could be ganged up on by all the 'well meaning halfwits' who have nothing better to do than mind other peoples' business for them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

fucking rabbits!

 

And still are... and we can be lucky these groups don't own guns. Or do they?

 

Reb

Oh hell I really wish people would read the posts in a thread.

To repeat – even in the UK which most pro-gunners think as having very restrictive gun control it is not that hard to own a shotgun if you are a law abiding and responsible individual. The fact is that many people in the countryside have shotguns to keep down predators and vermin. Unless you are a criminal or are clearly irresponsible you would be unaffected.


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And once more another person that backs up my theory

My theory is that there is a general attitude among many Americans that accepts threat of violence, intimidation and suppression as legitimate means of societal control and this mindset gets in the way of them actually working toward solutions to their social and political problems.

This is because that attitude colours the way they think about and view the world from personal interaction to how they see other countries.

They can come to see the world as threatening, they can feel intimidated and fear that they are or could be the victim of criminal or political suppression.

This attitude can lead to a near paranoid outlook were everything and everyone is seen as a potential threat that is just waiting to attack or repress them. This taints the way they see the government, how criminality can be dealt with, how they see their fellow citizens, differing social classes, differing ethnic groups, and even differing political philosophies or ideas.

Within the framework of such a worldview guns seem attractive as a means of ‘equalising’ the individual against what they perceive as threats, it makes them feel that they are also ‘powerful’ and intimidating and that they too, if needs be, can deal with, in other words suppress the threatening.

The problem is that such attitudes can build up an irrational barrier between reality and myth, between what they see as prudent and sensible and what actually is prudent and sensible.

 

Balbus, every person in the world suffers from fear of some kind. The Americans are probably more scared than other nationalities because of their turbulent national history. Unfortunately we have found no cure for fear, except for retreating to a cave to meditate for 30 years. If there is fear it's no solution to simply remove the security which the guns provide.

 

Walsh

Certainly and I haven’t argued differently -

But - My theory is that there is a general attitude among many Americans that accepts threat of violence, intimidation and suppression as legitimate means of societal control and this mindset gets in the way of them actually working toward solutions to their social and political problems.

This is because that attitude colours the way they think about and view the world from personal interaction to how they see other countries.

They can come to see the world as threatening, they can feel intimidated and fear that they are or could be the victim of criminal or political suppression.

This attitude can lead to a near paranoid outlook were everything and everyone is seen as a potential threat that is just waiting to attack or repress them. This taints the way they see the government, how criminality can be dealt with, how they see their fellow citizens, differing social classes, differing ethnic groups, and even differing political philosophies or ideas.

Within the framework of such a worldview guns seem attractive as a means of ‘equalising’ the individual against what they perceive as threats, it makes them feel that they are also ‘powerful’ and intimidating and that they too, if needs be, can deal with, in other words suppress the threatening.

The problem is that such attitudes can build up an irrational barrier between reality and myth, between what they see as prudent and sensible and what actually is prudent and sensible.

I’m not just saying there is fear - I’m trying to work out why the fear seems to exist and what its effects are.

 

Walsh

And you think Europe has not had a turbulent history?

Well education is usually the best weapon to tackle fear especially unwarranted or irrational fear, education can also help in trying to lessen or get rid of the things you fear.

I have a child, I have many fears regarding her - some I understand are irrational and that lessens those fears and others you protect against like teaching her to cross a road safely or getting her to put a helmet on when on her bike.

To repeat - I’ve got nothing against responsible and law abiding people owning a gun.

But I think a change in mentality and attitudes that brought about changes in how they looked at and act upon social, economic and political problems would mean that people would bring about a situation where they’d stop thinking they needed a gun.

 

Are you? Seems to me you're just interested in criticising them. If there is fear there, it's a product of their history and culture and there's absolutely no way you or they can change it.

 

You don't usually hear Europeans carrying on about their wars extending as far back as a few hundred years. The war of independence still strikes a chord, evidently. That's obvious from some of the posts in this thread.

I don't believe so. The intellect has proved totally incapable of calming the emotional/psychological hysteria of the masses. If it were, civilized countries would have a 0% crime rate, there would be no division and we'd be living in a utopia.

And what is unwarranted? Is it warranted that you live in a secure house with a lock on the door? You do that to protect your property which you fear will be stolen. I see no difference between that and guns when talking about psychological cause.

What changes? As I said, these people are a product of their history and culture. They inherited their mentality from their ancestors and will pass it on to their descendents. There's absolutely nothing you can do about it, just as there's nothing you can do about your own mentality.

 

uh, what???

my wife talks about bosworth field at least once a week

and kosovo - does that ring a bell?

please meet some "europeans" and revise

 

I doubt most Brits would even know what the war of the roses was. Anyway, I did not mean to say that no European nation had a turbulent history, which would be a ridiculous thing to say.

 

you'd be mistaken

 

Walsh

We are all products of our history and culture – but things change what lessons we learn from history can change and so can our culture.

At one time it was common to believe that white Europeans were superior mentally and morally to other races and that slavery and imperialism were ok, that women were inferior to men and so they should have the vote and that wives should obey their husbands.

I could go on and on.

If there was absolutely no way of human ever changing then why are we so different from people from other historical periods?

No we have as few recent ones to go on about.

But we still ‘carrying on about’ old battles and old wars. There is talk of having a Trafalgar Day holiday “to mark the anniversary of Britain's greatest sea victory in the battle on October 21, 1805. Tourism Minister John Penrose will launch a full public consultation soon”

1805 that’s only 20 years after the American war of independence.

Then many people here including me have cited the English civil war and people still mention the ‘Magna Carta’ which was the result of a war between English nobles and an English king.

And to the French the Revolution and the revolutionary wars are have as much resonates to them as the American war of independence has to Americans.

I could go on and on

 

Walsh
Well education is usually the best weapon to tackle fear especially unwarranted or irrational fear, education can also help in trying to lessen or get rid of the things you fear.

I’m not talking about ‘intellect’ and talking about education – ignorance is the thing that can bring about destructive views. Ignorance can often be behind irrational acts from the burning of witches up to the holocaust.

I think you give education a bit much credit, it can do good things but it cannot perform miracles.
All I am saying is that it can help.

Do we think and view the world the same way a Roman did, or a Viking how about a Roundhead or French revolutionary?

I’m descended from Celts and Normans, in you theory I should have the same view of the world as them and I don’t.

As to my own mentality the way I view and think about the world has changed many times my five year old self saw things differently than my twenty year old self and today I see things differently from them. It comes down to learning (education again) most people learn from experience and the experiences change them sometimes in subtle or subconscious ways and sometime radically.

 

having stuck my nose in genetics a good bit over the last 20 years, i would propose a theory of 'why europeans may not have the same attitude that americans have':

1. europe, after the only real 'peoples' revolution' they had had, immediately went back to the french, germans and british fighting over territory. it was not 'free ourselves of a despot', but 'we want our own despot, not yours, to rule europe'.

2. in so doing, they performed the same genetic experiment that was done by amerika during 'the civil war'....they killed off a large portion of the warlike genes.

3. europeans do not have as widespread a history of private firearms ownership (other than the swiss, who try to stay out of the constant squabbling). nor do they have or have had for many generations a place to hunt that is 'public land'. hence, no reason to own a hunting firearm.

4. by their culture and remaining genetics, europe does not appear to have the same mindset that amerika has had. if you look at the history of austrailia, it provides an interesting and somewhat parallel comparison to amerika...both countries were british penal colonies. australia, after trying to disposses the natives, has limited immigration (in my lifetime, anyway, that has been true). recently, they returned to their british mindset with the limitations on semi-automatic firearms (and the heinous cutting up of many beautiful works).

5. perhaps europe gives more of a shit than the fellow amerika citizens i know personally about 'what the world thinks'. most people i am familiar with couldn't give a rabbit turd about other nations' business or their opinion. one could spin this many ways....feel free to do your own personal spin with butter and nuts on it. swallow enough to choke as it goes down, also.

6. europe's finances are completely fucked up....the germans are nervous as hell about greece, spain and portugal. the experiment with the common culture (the euro, and open borders) is proving to be a little bumpy. what is not bumpy is the continued existence of international drugs, arms and corruption. it has been exported to this country to try to drag us into the fold. fuck y'all. i don't want european style socialism, european style firearms law or anything else. french wine is vinegar...british cars suck...german engineering is...well, not so bad. the blazer rifle is really a pretty gorgeous example of teutonic thinking.

so, if you look at the history of migrations, wars and culture, one might get a much better understanding of this 'merikan skeeredness'. we aint skeered...we don't want to be like europe. europe mostly sucks from what i have seen and read. no, i have never been there. they have not one damn thing that i want or need...i think i have a fairly large group of people who agree with me. i think, given the history that mexico has had, many mexicans would agree. europe go home. leave us alone. napoleon dint do shit for mexico; he helped to fuck it up worse than it was...the spaniards dint do much for them, either.

therefore, one might try to understand the bigger picture....and also, who gives anyone else the right to say 'you must behave like we do'? again, fuck that. mind your own business. stick the u.n. up your ass. our government may want europe and it's much touted 'moral superiority' (at least, europeans are legends in their own minds), but the people on the ground do not.

 

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