Should the Koran be banned?

hitler was no believer though, and by the way jezzasexiles mussolini was pretty far from karl marx in ideology and action.

 

Man the British are really paranoid of the UK becoming Islamastand, Like 2 BNP EMP's paranoid.

 

Well honestly, they're totally right.

It might not happen now. But in a few hundred years, it'll be "arabian britan", that shit will be occupied. Same with most of the EU. Those that let in the muslims are kicking themselves, and those that didn't are smug.

The only way to "fix" this is to educate people about what islam (and by extension, christianity) really is, and to build towards a more secular society. They're there now, and they're breeding a lot faster than you. Outlawing them will just mean they're ALSO more PISSED than you. The only defense that will save any of the worlds cultures except those of ignorant illiterate bedouin camel drivers is to assimilate them into a newer, better, less religious world. Education is your only hope.

So, ya better get to converting muslims, lickity split, or your doomed. And they're not about to hop on christianity.

 

The irony is Christinaity still has the most converts in the world, mainly in Africa and East Asia, especially China. Islam grows in the west because like most immigrant groups Muslims have a higher birth rate than average, but more importantly, because Christians in the US/Europe are dropping their religion left and right for basically agnostic practicing Christian it makes it seem more severe.

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http://fastestgrowingreligion.com/numbers.html

 

Yes....

At least islam is straitforward. The christians have ditched the "convert or die now" strategy, in favor of slowly starving out the last remaining speakers of whatever language and culture they're trying to destroy in that particular area, trading a package deal of christianity and food for your culture.

Islam spread under the sword, and still does. They kill you, and then just have a lot of babies.

 

Actually even for more irony, materialism seems to fuel the growth of Christianity, especially in South Korea and mainland China, apparently people needed something to fill the gigantic hole in their soul that being a filthy materialist naturally brings along as incomes skyrocketed.

Excuse me now while I go collect some more material.

 

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

After Joshua died, the Israelites asked the LORD, "Which tribe should attack the Canaanites first?" The LORD answered, "Judah, for I have given them victory over the land." The leaders of Judah said to their relatives from the tribe of Simeon, "Join with us to fight against the Canaanites living in the territory allotted to us. Then we will help you conquer your territory." So the men of Simeon went with Judah. When the men of Judah attacked, the LORD gave them victory over the Canaanites and Perizzites, and they killed ten thousand enemy warriors at the town of Bezek. While at Bezek they encountered King Adoni-bezek and fought against him, and the Canaanites and Perizzites were defeated. Adoni-bezek escaped, but the Israelites soon captured him and cut off his thumbs and big toes. Adoni-bezek said, "I once had seventy kings with thumbs and big toes cut off, eating scraps from under my table. Now God has paid me back for what I did to them." They took him to Jerusalem, and he died there. The men of Judah attacked Jerusalem and captured it, killing all its people and setting the city on fire. (Judges 1:1-8 NLT)

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)


When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)


So much for your "the Bible says not to kill" argument. Maybe you should actually read the Bible before you start throwing around your prejudice.

 

People in Britain were probably saying that, circa 400 AD, about those incomers with their Middle Eastern religion called Christianity - just as much an alien transplant as Islam would be.

Europe had its own gods, religions, moral structures pre-Christianity. It might have been better if we'd kept them.

As far as I can see, both the Bible and Koran were probably great if you were living as part of some small tribe in a desert hundreds of years ago - things change, but the deity's alledgedly responsible apparently cant or wont update their revelations in line with the times.... times which, if they really all-powerful, they must be be responsible for - which also raises the possibilty that perhaps they like war, bloodshed, torture, ignorance...that they get off on it, that's why they allow it to continue.

It seems to me that the Abrahamic gods were just some little desert deities that got lucky, then grew out of all proportion, way beyond their abilities.

They may well be "dead" now, or at least retired. Unfortunately, their legacy lives on...



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Oh, I think you could. Haven't you tried the BNP and their fellow travellers ?



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You're English ? But you dont recall the civil war in Ulster, the embers of which are still smouldering ?

That was Protestant v Catholic, a factional war inside Christianity. Get killed for being the wrong kind of Christian.



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I can feel it coming.

He's going to say that's not MURDER, and the commandment, as it was originally written, says not to murder. Which is true.

However, what you just quoted, to me, describes murder, so I would see that as a moot point. But I KNOW he'll try to make it.... "god wanted them dead, so it's ok". Just like any muslim extreemist.

 

It says don't take men who are of sin as your friend. Murder those who belittle the lives of the innocent.

 

we are?

i think the fact that there are british nationals who are practicing muslims and a BNP political party shows exactly the opposite ...... people are free to choose how they wish British culture and society to evolve both spiritually and politcally (sometimes both)

if we were paranoid about one culture shaping our future we would simply make it illegal ... i know you have an incredibly low opinion of the united kingdom, but we do still have the means to create and maintain our own laws :mickey:

i don't feel any particular paranoia here ... london has become immensely culturally diverse since the industrial revolution and currently is the interacial marraige capital of the world... so it's hard to say where our evolution is going to take our society

and if we become predominately muslim it's just the way it'll be ... nobody got paranoid when christianity started it's invasion a millenia and a half ago.. if the BNP ever gain any power (and they havn't yet, their actual number of votes has never increased) and we become a psuedo facist xenephobic nation who build themselves up and constantly knocks down other countries at every opportunity ....... well, we'll expect you to enjoy it here syd

so basically, as i can only speak for the UK, the koran should not be banned here.. it's up to the people to decide what they want.. you can encourage a society, but if you actively try to shape it, it'll break

 

Oh wait new religious war involving Christians that doesn't need to go back more than 20 years, The Troubles. Freakin Irish can't stop blowing each other up.

 

I don't regret reading a little of the Koran. Especially the part about :"not having to work for going to Heaven". I think it writes there about performing: essential charitable participation in the community.

 

My main issue with attacking the Qu'ran is this: once one religion is banned, that is a dangerous precedent. What's the next religion to be considered "dangerous?" Mine? YOURS? If it can happen once, it will happen again.

The whole thing seems freakishly totalitarian.

 

I don't think anything should be banned, hell the bible condemns homosexuals should we ban it? Confusing message the bible, honor thy neighbor but not if they choose to be homosexual? Or the whole ten commandments, thou shalt not, this thou shalt not that, but in the end all is forgiven? doesn't make sense. Religious wars have been waged by every religion and still are but censoring it is not the solution.

 

South Korean its ok... But people dont like the north Koreans. But they do put on a nice parade..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoSFQb5HVk&feature=related"]North Korean People's Army Funky Get Down Juche Party - YouTube
stop reading a book by the cover the media presents us, and read the book yourself..

 

I know I already called OP stupid, but:

OP's stupid.

OP said his job is to think laterally and find a solution, and he's good at it.

And then he proposed a "solution" (the only one he could see, too) that would do nothing but greatly strengthen islam. You could NEVER keep people from reading something, even before the internet. You can, however, make them very resentful, and blow you up, by banning their "holy" book and occupying their countries.

Remember how christianity and islam both became casual, and then the US and soviets stirred shit up for political reasons, and islam radicalized, and christianity radicalized even more, in response?

Fuck off, religion will die on it's own if you don't pay it any mind. There always may be some nutjobs, but once we've been in the information age long enough, this shit won't last. That's whats going on with the whole fox news whining about a "war on christmas" and whatnot-they're losing people to common sense.

 

There are far to many cats who believe for that to happen any time soon man. I think the world would be better off if religions all round the world could somehow agree, even if it is to disagree, and maybe if science and religion could learn to set aside their differences and start working together. Religion should be seen as an artistic form more so than a bad thing to have to deal with. Hopefully eventually the painting will be a bit less violent, and the different shades of color learn how to come together and make a master piece.