Should the death penalty ever be used?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by The_Moroccan_Raccoon, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. FlipFish

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    Killing is always wrong.
     
  2. Individual

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    But sometimes necessary.
     
  3. ☉rtus ♉

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    If one takes ones life, why does he/she deserve to live? I'm all for the death penalty, unless the murder was done in self defence or protecting loved ones. And there has to be 100% evidence that the murderer is found guilty, preferably a confession.

    Plus, why waste the prison space and tax payers money to help keep a murderer alive that's going to be in there for the rest of his/her life anyways? Mines as well just kill them, saves money and time.
     
  4. jaredfelix

    jaredfelix Namaste ॐ

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    yeah lol this question is a good one its like a loop.
    who would be doing the killing?
     
  5. Twistybit

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    I voted for all of the 'no' options.

    The first one I would also include corrupton under. It is rife and there is no way the current ruling class should have the power of the death penalty as well. I don't trust they can always get it right and I don't trust that they want to. There have been too many false arrests, trumped up charges and downright framings of people by the police in the UK and I just do no trust the system.

    Killing is wrong. Yeah, it is. Not sure how necessary it is sometimes. In self-defence? But then wouldn't an ass kicking suffice? I mean, if it's accidental, sure...but that's never really warranted the death penalty. There could be other options. I have heard that women in Germany are allowed to carry mace - probably more useful than a whistle. Hell, haven't women been told to shout 'fire' because nobody would respond if they heard someone shout 'rape'?! I've remember hearing that somewhere. I think there are always other options for people who can think - killing your problems doesn't solve things. There are always other problems just lurking around the corner anyway.

    I think life imprisonment is a reasonable thing. If you commit a crime that means you absolutely must be kept away from people then you should be. For the rest of your life. They have a right to live just like anyone else but they can do it in a box. Inside. It just isn't safe to have them out there but we're all on death row...what good will it do any of us to move him up the queue a bit? Will it make us feel better? I don't think so...

    I think the death penalty makes a whole society that little bit worse. It's enough to have these endless wars on my conscience without the blood of more people being spilled in the name of justice, freedom or whatever. I don't think it works like that. I don't think it's good. I don't think my tax money is spent wisely anyway so, yeah, pay for prisons. Pay to keep people there for the rest of their lives. It's going to be embezzled in some way or wasted on some dumbass publicity stunt at some point so I don't buy into the 'killing them saves us money' bullshit.

    It's good we don't have the death penalty. To bring it back would be a huge backwards step.
     
  6. ☉rtus ♉

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    I fully believe in the death penalty, wish we had it in Canada...

    If somebody kills another person, why do they deserve to live? Especially if the person they killed was innocent, a father/mother, a child... they ruined multiple lives by commiting a selfish act, therefore they should be killed themselves in my opinion, unless it was done in self defence of coursel. Same goes with repeat offenders... if somebody constantly commits crimes and goes in and out of jail for anything (other than drugs, most shouldn't even be illegal to begin with) then they obviously haven't learnt their lesson nor will they ever, so just get rid of them, they're useless garbage wasting our tax payers money.

    I defiantly believe in the whole "eye for an eye" thing... if somebody commits murder, kill them... if somebody molests or rapes somebody, send them to a gay-infested prison and let them get raped for a few years, see how they like it... then if they go out and do it agian, kill them...
     
  7. eggsprog

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    and just how do you know for sure if somebody is guilty? if evidence comes out later that proves innocence, what happens then?
     
  8. stash napt

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    Is it an intelligent idea to kill off you're own species?
     
  9. r0llinstoned

    r0llinstoned Gute Nacht, süßer Prinz

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    Should it ever be used? In my opinion, yes.
    Heres an example why: say a guy rapes a kid or something and kills that kid. he goes to jail, and criminals in jail DO NOT like pedophiles/child rapist whatever. They are going to fucking kill that guy. Might as well kill him with an injection rather than have him blugeoned to death. So hes gonna die either way.. do it the easy way.
     
  10. Individual

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    The worlds population exceeded 7 billion last year, and even if the growth rate diminishes as projected the total population continues to increase.

    The question is NOT "Is it an intelligent idea to kill off your own species?" but rather "At what point will we become unable to sustain continued growth of our species?"

    The answer to your question from an emotional point of view is simply answered with a no.

    At some point in the future more rational thoughts will prevail, with emotions made an afterthought.
     
  11. ☉rtus ♉

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    one should only get the death penalty if there is substantial evidence he/she is guilty, when there is so much evidence that you know they have to be, a lot of witnesses and possibly even a confession help a lot too, lol

    If you are falsely accused though, would you rather rot the remainder of your life in prison knowing theirs no way out or simply get it over with, with the death penalty?

    The only thing i don't like about the death penalty is that i don't think its punishment enough... like for mass murderers and psychopaths... they murder, torture, and torment people... yet their punishment is to suffer for a minute then just be dead?
     
  12. cass_jenner

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    I am sort of for it, but with reservations. For example, Muslim terrorists - I would just as soon see them taken off the planet but if you execute them then they and all their cronies believe they are a holy martyr. So who has won there?
    Now, suppose we talk about somebody like Jeffrey Dahmer. Serial killer, and all round bad guy. I mean he had a fuckin human head and other body parts in his FRIDGE for fecks sake.
    Okay you may say - he is sick. Yes he is. And he's not going to get better.
    Some humans are just wired up wrong. Some people do unspeakable things to others - and those others are usually weaker and smaller , like women and children. I firmly believe that there is no place for these guys. We should be able to as a society to man-up and do the right thing. We do not want them around.
    What are the options?
    1. Tell them that they are VERY naughty and give them a "life sentence" and in 10 years time they will be let out on parole, or they will hire some human rights lawyer to overturn their sentence.
    2. Send them to mental hospital.....and see above.

    I say that both these options are wishy washy and do not get rid of the problem. They just put it away where you can't see it, for a while...until the fucks get out again. And this happens quite a lot. And then they kill again.
    Serial killers and child abusers do not get "better" They are like rabid dogs. You would shoot one of them wouldn't you? You would not go, "Oh poor thing, he had issues as a child, his mother didn't love him, its society's fault"
    Fuck 'em. Man up. Get rid of.
    I am not talking about casual accidental or heat of the moment killing. I am talking about pre-meditated carefully planned acts of gross violence and killing where there is no doubt whatsoever.
    And I am not event talking about it as a deterent - because that will not work. I am just talking about - what to do with this totally fucked up human being.
     
  13. jaredfelix

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    reasonable doubt is the acid test, and there just isn't ever lack of that in more then maybe 1% of the time, if that.
     
  15. darkforest

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    Those guys in Texas that drug James Byrd to death deserve no less than a similar fate. They bragged about killing him, like it's a badge of honor.
     
  16. Ranger

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    requires a death penaity is that even a life sentence with no parole can be changed at the whim of any future admin or governer.
     
  17. darkforest

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    Yep. In the 60's, Texas sentenced a killer to death, then the death penalty was repealed and his sentence was commuted to life. Some do gooders let him out so he could kill again. They got it right the second time.
     
  18. txchick

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    Yes the death penalty should be used and here's why. It's not meant to be a deterrent. It's there to punish the person for taking a life. The person they killed can not taste food any more, cant have children, cant enjoy sex, cant see, cant feel, cant have emotions, cant read, enjoy books, movies, entertainment, their life has been taken away from them by some idiot. Why should the murderer get to sit in a cell 23 hours a day and be able to eat, taste, read, have emotions, etc. They shouldnt. Killing them is justice. The taxpayer shouldnt have to pay for them to have those things they took away from someone.
     
  19. Individual

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    Very well stated, and if as I read in the thread titled "Come together on what we can all agree on", posted by rjhangover, that "It costs $120k to keep them in prison." is indeed true, the prison population is better cared for than those of us who pay to care for them.
     
  20. dmob12

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    We should kill all of the pedo's.
     

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