Should Guns be Outlawed in the U.S.A?

This thread is not discussing "how low the level of gun control should be", I is discussing "Should Guns be Outlawed in the U.S.A?", something you seem to need to be continually reminded of and so my stand is; no, guns should not be banned and so disagreement with that would seem to imply wanting guns banned.

Great, that clears that up but interestingly your did not answer the question; If not please explain why you keep disagreeing with those who say they don't want guns banned?

Again, this thread OP is "Should Guns be Outlawed in the U.S.A?", if so why do you keep disagreeing with those who are here just to say guns should not be banned?

In post #754 I asked;

You must have accidentally overlooked it, could you reply to it now?

 

I am sorry and apologize for any misunderstanding this has caused and thank you for bringing this to my attention.

I was going on the connotation that the "contract" with gun owners was being unilaterally being annulled or changed and not in the real definition as you pointed out; "to abolish, do away with, or annul" and will not use it again, in this thread, because of the now obvious misconceptions that it leads to.

 

Okay, thanks.

Okay, thanks.

Isn't there already laws in place to punish assault and battery?

Also; isn't there a direct correlation between drunk driving and license removal, whereas there seems to be no direct correlation between assault and battery and gun ownership?

I mean if we were draw a one to one correlation from your illustration, wouldn't a registered gun owner who misuses a gun correlate better to a licensed driver who drives drunk, than a case of assault and battery?

 

Interestingly, this whole post is an example of your not bothering to trying to understand another's post and just trying to make it fit your pat answers.

If you look at what I said; "Then tackle those problems, guns don't cause people to to steal food and more gun control will not solve that problem."

Personally I would say my saying; "Then tackle those problems", is a call to tackle those problems and stop trying to make guns the villain in problems they did not cause and will not be solved by more gun regulation.

See, here again is your ignoring what was said; "Again guns don't cause poverty. Saying that someone might use a gun out of desperation does not seem like a good reason we should put more limits on the rights of "law abiding and responsible" people.".

Unbelievably, I'm talking about gun control in a thread on gun control and some how you jump to the conclusion that I have no concern for the other social, economic and political problems of mankind.

I'm glad to hear that you are living in a paradise that has employed your "holistic approach", where is that again, maybe I'd like to move there.

I point out that you seem to be living in a fairy tale world and point out what is happening in the real world and you ignore it.

I mean, did you even bother to look at the book I mentioned to you, you don't mention it?

PS You are welcome.

 

It has been pointed out that the person that shot all those people, was not subdued by those all those people, about a hundred, that didn't have guns and were shot like fish in a barrel. They had to wait and just be shot until people with guns came to rescue them and subdue the perpetrator.

It is also interesting to note that the assault rifle that was used is under a strict ban.

 

No, it means that people use toasters to toast, toast.

Personally, I've never seen a toaster decide to make some toast on its own and then proceed to make toast.

 

xD

 

I don't think guns should be outlawed because people will still be able to get guns if they really want one. Kinda like drugs. Drugs are illegal, but if someone wants some, then they're probably going to get some.

I also liked what Chris Rock said about gun control:
"You don’t need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullet control. Man, we need to control the bullets, that’s right. I think all bullets should cost five thousand dollars… five thousand dollars per bullet… You know why? Cause if a bullet cost five thousand dollars there would be no more innocent bystanders."

 

You, too, need to just read balbus' posts!

He has an answer for that.

You have to try, no matter how hard or impossible it is. You're using the "that's impossible" argument, as though being impossible ever invalidated an idea or something.... silly you.

 

I always liked a lot of what Chris Rock has to say and this is one of the best.

 

Do you think anything should be legal? If someone wants to park in the middle of the road they will do it, but they might think again when they learn there is a hefty fine for doing it.

 

I think some things should stay illegal, like parking in the middle of the road..

 

Why? People will do it regardless of legality.

 

Maybe if people were informed on why they shouldn't park in the middle of the road, then they wouldn't do that? :/

 

Maybe. I'm not sure if they would own deadly devices either.

 

I've begun to expect thoughtful questions from you.

I hadn't really thought about it in terms of traffic laws or should everything be legal.

So I would have to say that we should also take into consideration the profit motive behind making something legal or illegal. In other words would making something illegal make it more profitable for organized crime or not. To me one of the biggest problems that we face is organized crime and that making somethings illegal feeds money to organized crime.

For instance the money from the sale of illegal drugs increases the size of gangs and pays for the violence we see in places like Columbia, Mexico and even the US. So by making drugs legal, it would cut the money "legs" out from under the gangs and without drug money to support their "life styles" they would have to get jobs at Burger King.

Whereas parking in the middle of the road being illegal is not something that can be easily turned into cash by organized crime.

It's kind of off the cuff but but the thought was somewhat new to me and I hadn't thought about it much.

 

If I park in the middle of the road, it stops other people from going where they need to be, and possibly damages their vehicles, and mine.

If I own a gun, it doesn't hurt anything or anybody, unless they try to harm or rob me, or others in my immediate vicinity.

 

If americans couldn't own firearms we'd be no better than France...

 

I will pick up my new remington 870 express 12 gage shotgun wednesday. I'm really excited, its such a great gun. I could be called an outlaw when guns become illegal and i wouldn't care in the least. They are a lot of fun, their are a lot of rules you must learn so you don't fuck yourself, in law and shooting. One learns how much a work of art it truly is once you own and fire one. Its a lifestyle change, you start to look at a lot of situations very differently, you think differently. A lot of gun owners outlawed or not feel as a protector towards their society against sociopathic no remorse criminals that a lot of people i think fail to see.