Should God Govern Governments?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by GreatestIam, Oct 6, 2014.

  1. Mountain Valley Wolf

    Mountain Valley Wolf Senior Member

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    Ahhh, what could it harm---everyone would love everyone else, and we'd treat each other like family, and the laws of the land would all be based on god's laws, and... well, the minute someone broke the law, we'd have to stone them, because they are breaking God's laws, but it would be done with love----as would the judgement that we would all lovingly place upon each other because the Bible is filled with rules and laws and scriptures and man is weak and easily tempted... Why, we would need special groups to go around the land and check on people to make sure that they are keeping to the scriptures, these groups would have to be very vigilant, so we could call them vigilantes.

    But this is the modern world so we would have to deal with those heathens, but we do not have to show them the same kind of love, in fact, we could just withhold citizenship for those heathen types. ...come to think of it, we would need specialists on witchcraft, because if these heathens, who do not believe in, and follow God's ways were to somehow do good in the God-favored Nation, then clearly it is because of witchcraft, for why would god gift in response to their heathen ways.

    Oh! And don' forget those foreigners---they obviously do not belong---but we could hold public and televised beheadings. And then...



    ...Ohhhhhh... never mind.
     
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  2. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    To be fair guys, OP seems to ask this to a specific kind of person:

    But he seems to ask it on the wrong forum as there are little to no people like that on here. Anyway, I agree with Roorshack: it doesn't take a genius to see he is indeed twisting things to an extent that makes it pointless to reply seriously in depth. But kudos to the people who do so anyway :) OP has an agenda and all his threads on this forum are made with the same purpose.
     
  3. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Injustice is contracted out from previous injustice. Our precious law books fail and succeed for the concepts they provide, and that was anyway for the Law the way it appeared for the time passing at the court of a humanity at better peace in the ironic nineties. Thus what there is to learn by the attack of the twin towers: I'll just say it simple for and to ISIS; it is the complete ideal of God governing (through cultural activity) the propriety of using it's Law upon the people.

    Consider how the west and Christianity controls the advanced visions of Plato's Crito.
     
  4. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    Just seeking confirmation or something like that?

    I think if you post a thread on a contentious issue it's really useless and pointless to specify whose answers you want to hear.Esp. on HF.

    If I posted in the pet section about how good dogmeat is to eat, and said I only wanted to hear from others with a similar taste, I'm pretty sure I'd get all kinds of hostile responses.

    (just an example there - I have never eaten a pooch)
     
  5. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    You mean being indeterministic over the injustice that is corrected by the creation of new laws and adjustment for old laws. Admitted the Right are good at that; but often that is a matter of appearance of their virtuous behaviour for (at this point) the happy Oil companies. :D

    But I believe that for overcoming the scare of environmental disaster, there is the truth of law and order, and it is for the changes of economic trust, AND deterministic.
     
  6. GreatestIam

    GreatestIam Member

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    Thanks much.

    That is what I have been waiting for as well as your pledge of allegiance.

    How is that separation of church and state?

    Regards
    DL
     
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  7. GreatestIam

    GreatestIam Member

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    Thanks all.

    Respect grows as no foolish proposals have been offered.

    It seems that most religious have been chased away. Thai site is getting to be full of non-believers.

    I have noted the trend for some time now and it may be that the tipping point of belief to non-belief estimated to be 2050 just might be accurate.

    Regards
    DL
     
  8. aesthetic

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    So your telling me that god governs the church?
     
  9. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    god is not a church, temple, place of worship, man god choose to be channeled by, religious organization, nor the scripture of any religion.

    for any of this things to rule a government, is not a god, any god, doing so.

    governments exist as armies, documents, and in the minds of men. gods, should they choose to exist, do so in other realms then these.

    a god, by definition, is something you cannot force to do anything, and that includes running governments.
     
  10. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    My point exactly.
     
  11. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    http://youtu.be/wguAQHWVcZY
     
  12. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    To find it offensive that peace lovers cannot succeed without their wealth working to reap much of the religious warfare had. When it is that I know it is trust for other Faiths in God which caused the wars between the faiths in Him, the creator of doubt. I'm not a human being; I don't know how to make peace as I did once anymore.

    In the name of still essentially anger, inside of me, I cannot know how to realize peace this way that the good are doing what they are supposed to. So the wisdom is to express the anger for aging which maybe was worth loving God for. The mafia fights a better battle than do the Kung Fu masters.
     
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  13. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    it is difficult to make any kind of sense of the question.

    how would or could any god do that?

    also the proposal for governments to be run by religious leaders, that mistake has been made,
    and its one of the biggest mistakes that ever where.
     
  14. Anaximenes

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    A country is sacred; has to priorly be understood under religious control; so I cannot understand how the mistake means anything but fundamental progress to concern about. All nations were nationalistic because of religion. Maybe the NAZI's weren't.
     
  15. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    does the op honestly believe, that a religious leader having dominance over any government, would actually give a dam, what anyone else considered to be the will of their god, or any god.

    iran is an outstanding example of just how big a mistake it would be, to assume that they would.

    anyone who thinks christianity would be any different then islam, given the same situation, is fooling themselves big time.

    again this idea that the will of religious leaders is the will of any god, remains utter and absolute nonsense.

    the specific utter and absolute nonsense that put the evil in midevil. that was such a tragidy, that essentially kept europe barbaric throught the middle ages.

    i'm all for whatever gods there might be, but they are neither owned nor accurately reflected by the teachings of any name brand belief.
    least of all christianity. a religion that has already been thoroughly corrupted by the degree of dominance it already has.

    whatever god does exist, or gods, is not some trademark owned by christianity, islam, or anyone else.

    neither has anything infallable ever walked the face of this earth, nor any other world nor ever will.

    there may be better, more benificial and equitable ways of running things then a majority of popular consent.
    but if there is, pretending to speak for some god, is NOT one of them.
    that it is not, has been proven over and over again, every time it has been done.
     
  16. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    god yes. religious leaders no. if god wanted to be doing this it would be. nor would this be any choice but its own. the question is thus utterly pointless.

    how are you going to force a god to govern governments? are you a bigger god then god is that you can force it to?

    if you were, then what what would make god god? the whole question just makes no sense.
     
  17. aesthetic

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    Gods probably like....
    "I dont know, I figured everything would just start explaining itself after a while..."
     
  18. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Maybe by blackmailing Him :p
     
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  19. IMjustfishin

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    arent there some countries in the middle east where this is already established. sudan comes to mind.
     
  20. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    No, it is not God that governs those countries. By the way: personally I consider Sudan to be a part of Africa, not the middle east.
     

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