Shameless_Heifer and Haight Ashbury

That's facinating - Thanks Shameless.

Jerry pinching your Butt is the tail-end (please pardon the expression!) of West Coast Rock Stars Libido.We have to blame too many late-night jams of:"The Hoochie -Koochie Man" & "Got my Mojo Working" in many a lonely Hollywood recording studio for this.
Grace Slick & Jim Morrison had an affair during the 1968 Doors/Jefferson Airplane Tour of Europe.
It sure gets lonely sometimes for Rock Stars.

 

Flight,
I have often refered to my life as a Forest Gump type life. Sometimes I feel I have lived many many lives all rolled into this one. Perhaps it's because I started so young and lived fast and hard. I pilled up a lot in 54 yrs.
When I finished my first book, it was about 58,000 words and that's just the first yr. in 66 to 67 that I was there. I had to stop and start another one for 68-69 and then there's new books on the communes and what was happening in the 70's, OMG. I don't know if I will ever get all the stories out. lol.. It doesn't matter, you write cuz you can't not write. It just flows like a fountain.
I imagain there was a lot of hanky panky on them tour buses, close quarters and the drugs and booze and all.

Gracie was not one of my favorites.Altho I loved the music. She had an ego the size of texas. She was rude and crass to her fans, even to the point of spitting on us and calling us names. She thought her chit didn't stink and that everyone was lower then her highness. She was around the neighborhood a lot as the Airplane's sound studio was right across the Panhandle Park for our commune. We did road work for them and painted their studio, Black with gold pillers. It looked pretty cool. But Grace had no grace, she was demanding and treated the band poorly, with her insults. I don't think she started out that way. Maybe the fame and drugs changed her. At any rate, she made a fortune.

I hope you have a great day Flight and fare well in the days to come.

 

"It wasn't long before a lot of Americans became convinced the hippies were just aching to tear down the basic fabric of America. It wasn't just mainstream America that didn't like the hippies, either. Once a group of the Hell's Angels motorcycle gang swooped down on a group of hippies for no other reason than they wanted to. All in all, the hippie-haters pretty much included anyone who thought that believing and preaching peace, love, and toleration of others was stupid. In America that was (and is) a pretty large slice of the population."

http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1197

 

Hippie Haters??? and that would be you Gate?!?!?
As I recall, the mainstream of the populi had kids that were hippies. Are you telling me that they hated their own kids. As I recall it was rednecks and conservitives that disagreed with the hippies way of life. Like Reagan, he did hate the hippies. I never felt hated, misunderstood yes, but never hated, hunted yes, but again not hated. Maybe it was because I was a girl and didn't have to go to war or burn my draft card. You are anti hippie Gate, I have not heard one constructive thing coming from you. I don't dig you at all. You act like we did nothing but stayed fucked all the time and had no mental capabilities at all. I hope the kids aren't listening to your biased crap. Why do you come to the hip forums as you yourself said you are not hip. Just to poke sticks at us through the fence. Like they use to do on Haight St. Go back to the young hippies forums, some of them seem to like your B.S. It seems counter productive to me. Negitive and insulting. Jelousy perhaps? I don't know. I'll have to do a reading on you and post it here I guess. If you can't come in here and show some respect you need not plop youself down in our living room and chit on our memories.

 

Shameless,
Be great if you could find a publisher-or better yet a movie producer? I think you are among the lucky few who have REALLY LIVED, and nothing any "artiste" out there could ever make up could hold a candle to the real deal story.
Tundrahopper4
PS. And the lifeless get really wigged out when confronted with the real deal. Like my son recently made me pull all my photos of him and his family off my photo web site because he did not want "weirdos in basements" gawking at his incredible lifestyle. He might be correct.

 

this was quoted from this site and i don't have a basement

 

I have put in an inquiry in a few places. Tundra, I think people would enjoy a plain unpolitical depiction of what the average teenage girl experienced in the middle of hippiedom usa 1966. They say to write what you know and I knew The Haight. I knew what I saw felt and experienced in those 11 yrs. It was an exciting time, all kinds of things were happening at once. The Viet Nam war, Women's Rights Movement, The Equal Rights issue, Black Panthers, White Panthers, the Love-ins'Be-in and Human Be-ins, The Rock and Roll Revelution, Free Love, Free LSD, Free food, Free housing, The Diggers, the communes, The Drough Store Cafe, Eastern Religion. It was all poping at the same time.
What I can recall of it was like nothing else ever experienced. To explain the emotions, truths would be like try to describe the taste of a peach to someone that only tasted oranges. Though words can take you to places never before dreamed. The imagaination can be as vivid as being there back then.

It would be nice if publishers/directors and producers were pounding at my door...lol..
I do thank you for the encouragement Tundra, it's nice to know someone is interested in an old hippies ravings.. Brightest Blessings.
SH

 

Shameless,
Some pretty heady days allright-even out here in the middle of nowhere we were hearing about it. And when "the wave" hit finally did hit about '69 it was like something never seen before or since-and probably nothing like it will happen again. Funny that over in Europe the hippie thing is seen as a positive phenomenom and is studied intensely. Here where it started? Well the subject is still rather "verboten". And California was at the heart of the matter- and you were there? "Was there" counts for a whole lot! I think you have something of historical importance to say. You might try some European publishers.
Tundrahopper4

 

I don't have pics of my babies online either, I do have one of my Man Child ( heifer's_calf) Gotta love that boy, for his tenasity, and heart. I haven't met many second generation hippies. The ones born into it and contenued the life style in adulthood. That reminds me of a story.
As you may have read in some of my posts, I was a Hippie Hill regular and on sunny mornings I would pack up me n my boy ( 13 months old) and we would go to the park and enjoy the beauty and splendor of life. I would sometimes play my guitar and Jom would dance and sing, his blond hair shinning in the sun and his blue eyes twinkling as he would remember the the rifts and change his steps with the beat. On one of these days on out outting, as we played in the sun. An old couple, I'd say passed their 60's, were sitting on a bench watching us play. I had seen them before sitting watching the children. They were a sweet old couple. They seemed particularly interested in Jomie as he was as bright as a shinning star. After a while they approched me, with kind faces. They asked me about my boy and where his daddy might be, as I was usually by my self when I brought my boy to the park. I told them I was divorced and I was raising Jom on my own. What they said after that was heart breaking.

The lady told me with tears in her eyes that they had lost thier two sons in Viet Nam and they never had a chance to have grandsons. They then made a preposal to me that, if I would have had shoes on I would had fallen out of them. They ask me to let them adopt my precious baby boy and they would pay me TWO million dollars for him. As my mouth gaped open at such a thought as selling my felsh and blood, I must have turned several different shades of color as the contenued their preposal. They told my that I could stay with them and be Jom's govnerness and live with them at thier home and still be a mother to him. They said they had no heirs to pass their estate to and that Jom would be a wealthy man someday if they were to adopt him. I was so shocked, I could only think, Sell my Baby" No Way". I did feel sorry for the sweet old couple and how lonely they must be, and how terrible it must be to lose their sons in that horrible war. But I could not sell my child. I didn't care about money. They were very sad as I packed up my gear and my precious son and went home. I never forgot that old couple and what would have happened if I had taken them up on their offer. All the advantages he would have had in life. But then I thank GOD I kept my boy because he has brought me more joy, pain and love then any amount of money ever could. I didn't see the old couple in the park again. Maybe they found a new boy and they got their wish. I hope they did.

 

beating "natives" up makes you a second generation hippie?

 

WTF are you talking about now, your ignorance astounds me. If your reffering to when MY BOY was attacked and he defended himself as they were "THEY" trying to kill him, and he was hard pressed to kill his attacker he reframed himself and his higher intellect took over and he let it. That my friend was a good deed. And GOOD on my BOY. What? you say he's not suppose to defend his self.. you are an idiot. (judgement call).
I don't know if you read or just glance at posts and then come back being an asshole. Your getting on my nerves. I know my crede is to HARM NONE, but where does that line begin or end. I am trying to find my higher self when it comes to dealing with the likes of you. Your like a fire ant that sneeks up and bites you on your butt and hides to come out and bite you again. An irritating insect. You bore me with your BS. I will not respond to you in the future, you not worth the energy, like they use to say in the communes, your a energy rip off. Be gone insect. I see no need for you here.

 

Shameless,
Wanted to buy your son then? And it sounds like they wanted to buy you along with the package. A lot of people would have considered that "an offer too good to pass up". A lot of people are fools.
Vietnam? Well I never had to go but I did do some partying with guys just back on the old Minneapolis South Side and read everything I could find about that mystery. It's a hideously complex story but some conclusions I came to were; A. The NVA were anything but "the good guys" and their eventual victory DID prove to be a disaster for the peoples of SE Aisia. B. The war was prosecuted poorly by the majority of US forces and this was largely a problem of leadership. C. The opposition had to have had spies in the highest levels of the US camp. D. The US set itself to a nearly impossible task from the get go-to the point where it could be said that "the US blundered into a Combloc trap"- and the political restraints that developed on going after the enemy outside of SV made the task impossible. E. The "Vietnam War" was really "WWIII by proxy" and the Soviets and Chinese were heavily involved. There was a real terror that the whole thing would spark a global war and these fears were well founded. There was in fact actual combat between US and Soviet/ Chinese forces but these incidents were kept quiet by both sides.
Not popular points to be arguing at hippie parties! And I used to defend hunters and hunting when none others would... But the hippies I knew were a pretty open minded bunch and I was never asked to leave (now college students tended to be assholes and you were bound to be screamed down and asked to leave if you did not agree with their world view). I think the majority of the people I hung with had that rare ability to see all sides of an argument-something sorely lacking in this day and age.
Tundrahopper4
PS. Ignore that troll and maybe you could get ahold of the moderator and get him banned off your threads.

 

I lost a husband in viet nam in 66 he was bearly out of boot camp, he was 19. I later married a vet' that had Post Trumatic Stress Syndrom and I was beaten and terroized for eight yrs. He finely took his own life in 84. I was not married to him when he killed himself. I knew many boys that came back messed up or missing limbs and brain cells. I was so young when the war broke out. I knew it was wrong, but I really didn't understand the magnitude of it all untill later when I was in the Haight and I became aquainted with what it was all about. The peace rallys and demonstrations and all the opinions f the older crowd. I learned, I grew.

 

Shameless,
Bad business all around and nobody but nobody wanted to go after the Tet Offensive. Still... well I was a whole different person after the summer of 1970. Like I had been through a real drug fueled and revelational summer and was sort of "starting from scratch" as it were. I found myself really able to put myself in other peoples' heads. Then I started meeting these vets at parties on the Old Southside? Well some of these guys were real titans and hardly the stereotype of "the damaged Vietnam Vet." Transformed-like I had been-only by wholly different means. I was half joking at a party that maybe I ought to volunteer and got told in no uncertain terms that this was a bad idea. Wish I would have stayed in contact...at any rate, the story took on a whole different spin when it was told by a few guys who had actually been there and really... there was something to piss off ALL sides of the American Political argument coming from the vets. A mystery that has yet to be unravelled happened back there, and it might not be for another generation that an objective view of our amazing era ever comes together.
Tundrahopper4

 

Ignore that troll and maybe you could get ahold of the moderator and get him banned off your threads.
Why is this her thread and why can't i speak against violence on a hippie site?

""But the hippies I knew were a pretty open minded bunch and I was never asked to leave (now college students tended to be assholes and you were bound to be screamed down and asked to leave if you did not agree with their world view""

""Be gone insect. I see no need for you here.""

 

It took many of us years to decompress from our service in Vietnam. Some of the more unfortunate vets are still fighting the war every time they close there eyes. PTSD is a unique neurological disorder that can cause a great deal of anxiety and depression;with its effects often increasing with age. Depending on which type of PTSD of the three generally recognized variants a physician or other health care professionals diagnosis confirms. Paranoia,anxiety,fear and especially violence will be prevalent if alcohol and other street drugs are involved. Often causing feelings of anxiety and guilt followed by emotional rage;that is turned on and off like a light switch. I think the resentment and outright hatred from friends and especially our loved ones that many returning veterans received upon returning home was cause for a great deal of emotional turmoil that will remain with us in varying degrees for the rest of our lives.

 

WE1,
Yes I do agree. When I was married to Daivd, my third husband in 73. He had a medical discharged from the Navy. While he was on The USS Enterprize, a carrier ship. He was blown overboard by a landing plane. He injured his back and they discovered spinal bifida, he was discharged and sent home after 18 months in the Navy. He as many vets returning turned to drugs and alcohol as an escape from the reality of what they had endured.
David was A-Typical. He was in and out of the VA, mainly to get the pills they handed out in major quanties. He also had srinks to evaulate him every three months. We had many a meeting with so called heard doctors. When he'd beat me up or terroize me I'd leave. Only to have the docs call me and say thet David needed his family. My son was four and I had a baby on the way. I stayed out of duty. The episodes got worse as time went on. After the baby came and she was diagnosed with CF, he became even more violent. They had to put him in a sike ward. I left and got a place of my own. I was working at the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation and living my life. When he ,David, was released and I would not have contact with him, he would down a hand full of pill with a bottle of whiskey drive by and shoot at my house with my children asleep inside. The police were not much help and the VA was unsympathic to my plight. I was forced to move out of state and returned to the Haight where he was not likely to find me.
I have known others that 'were there'. that had learned different lessons and grew from the experience and became wiser from the knowing. They used their knowledge to help others and to bring light. It's funny, not haha funny but in a strange way, how we each bring something different from similar experiences.

 

Gate you are useless to try to say anything to beating up a ntive that took me to the river to drown me and kill me only by the force of the creater did i not protect myself to the fullest of my abbelities and kill the worthless peice of shit no matter what race he is.I go out of my way to oviod trouble i do not like violence,I WILL PROTECT ME AMD MINE w/force double talk or a fire arm.you cant see the forest through the trees your blinded by your prejudists and there is no use trying to enlighten the darkness in you.YOU HAVE TAKEN ANY AND EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT TO BENIFIT YOUR TIRADING INSULTIOUS MANNERISM .I feel sorry for you good luck in your closit.Its not worth the hassle explaining ourselves to you.Dont have nothing to prove but i have a lot to shaare to badd so manny people are so close minded.Open up and see the rest of the word The creaters light shine an your hatred and expose it for what it is Fear

 

maybe if you quit calling them "natives"?

 

We,
That's a thing I heard and still hear a lot-that the homecoming was in ways worse than the war. I do remember everybody-right and left-dumping on the vets. Why? Well the righties did not want to acknowledge that the problem was with the leadership (my friend M-- will not join the VFW unto this day because of some WWII/Korea sniping about how he "lost" his little war). And the lefties? Well sometimes I think they just wanted to justify their student deferrments and dodges. There was a hardcore pacifist and communist presence-mostly centered on campus- that painted the vets from "immoral" to out and out "Yankee warmonger pirates." They were all nuts and they were all very wrong. The truth about what really happened in Vietnam is out there for anyone wanting to dig...
Heiffer,
Kind of like the parable of the blind men touching the elephant and coming to all sorts of different conclusions about what it was?
Heiffers Calf,
You are to be admired for your courage and skill in getting out of that hairy crunch. And you are to be admired for your restraint-I do believe I would have done some killing in a situation like that. Your Mom seems to have prepared you well for this mostly beautifull/but sometimes beastly world.
Tundrahopper4
PS. Calf-ignore the troll (unless you really want to get in a pissing contest). I mean-what does he ever offer?