Shaivism vs. Vaishnavism

Much research has been done on LSD since the 50's. As yet, no toxicity has been found. It seems unlikely to me that further research will show it to be harmful.
Another psychedelic, DMT actually occurs naturally in the brain, hence it is impossible to test for.
I know many, including myself, who have used LSD over a period of years, and none shows any signs of damage, spiritual degradation, or turning to addictive drugs. The effects of LSD are not likely to be pleasant for a person looking for an escape route.

What you say about 'injecting oneself with cannabis' just shows the level of mindless propaganda which circulates on these matters. Cannabis cannot be injected - it is either a herb in it's natural form, or a sticky block when made into hashish. It is either smoked (which I agree could have negative consequences for the health) or eaten. BTW -LSD can be injected, but the practice is extremely rare, and more the province of scientists like John C. Lilly who have investigated this extremely valuable substance. The dose is microscopic - about 100 -250 microgams is usual, and it come usually in pill form, or on blotting paper.

Anyway - as I say more than 30 years after first trying acid, I am not a junkie, and I don't feel it has harmed me in any way - quite the reverse, I feel it has been a great blessing in my life and something which in fact changed my whole direction. I haven't taken any psychedelic substace now since 1999 - so it's not exactly heavy use I'm speaking of here, but if and when I feel the time is right I might take it again.
A common pattern seems to be that people get connected to something taking acid, and that can be the start of a spiritual quest. That is true for many people.

Just because some people can't handle it is no reason for it to be banned. It would be like saying that because some people have negative experiences riding horses (I know one in a wheel chair for life as a result of an accident) horse riding should be banned, and those who practice it demonized. There are many other things which screw people up far worse than psychedelic drugs, and many other things which are bad for the health. Both television and cars are worse IMO.

 

haha BBB, It is funny that you should call me ignorant, I do not know how much time you have devoted to this in a lab, but i will say I have and so has my professor. Yet, I do not deem it proper to argue this anymore for i have said what i thought was right, lets just keep it spiritual.

Peace n Love BBB!

BTW, any molecule can be injected into the body if it is stable enough.

 

I didn't actually call you ignorant Jedi - but if you talk about injecting cannabis what do you expect? All I'm saying is if you are going to talk abot things, it's better to do so from a standpoint of facts rather than misinformation.

If you don't approve of psychedelics that's your affair - but you don't do anything to support your arguments by saying things which are frankly laughable.

 

Now you are making me curious, why do you think injecting cannibis into one's body is impossible?

 

It could only be done if you could extract the THC (psychoactive ingredient in cannabis) and that would reqire a well equipped lab, and knowldge of chemistry etc. If you could produce THC in a water soluable form, it could then, I suppose be injected. Alternatively, I believe that a synthetic variant of THC can also be produced. But it would be a lot of trouble to go to. It is something which really isn't going to happen, at least not on any big scale. It would be a pointless exercise which is totally unecessary, and economically it couldn't make sense if you wanted to make money, and no one without money is going to be able to afford to set up a secret lab etc.
I guess it is possible some students at a uni somewhere might try it...but even then, I think it is unlikely Nobody extracts nicotine from tobacco to make an injectable form, and probably for much the same reasons.
And anyway, if you could produce pure THC you could put it in pills, which most people would prefer. It takes a certain damaged kind of mentality to start injecting yourself with things.

Cannabis is usually smoked in either a cannabis cigarette called a sliff/joint/reefer, or a pipe. Sometimes it is eaten. That is common in India, so I'm told.
The idea of someone injecting cannabis reminds me of the anti-drug films they used to show us at school in the 60's which were packed with similar disinformation. Maybe they thought then, as they still evidently do, that lies are the best way to brainwash children.

 

i've tried injecting canabis but the leaves clogged up the syringe

 

A great many Shivite Sadhus smoke cannabis. They say it comes from Shiva. A friend of mine who has been in India several times told me that some of them mix it with leaves and flowers of Datura.
That's a far more dangerous thing - it's active ingredient is atropine I believe, which is the same thing that is in deadly nightshade and henbane - both, incidentally, plants that were reputedly used by european 'witches' during the middle ages to induce visions.
By comparison, cannabis is a tame pussy cat indeed.

 

i like cherry tomato deadly nightshades and green pepper deadly nightshades and burbank white potato deadly nightshades

 

There you go BBB, now you could see how this is not a propaganda, and people can make analogs of drugs and inject animal tissues with this stuff to see how it works.

 

They would presumably be scientists who wanted to see what a given substance does to animal tissue.
The point is that no one who takes cannabis for recreational/spiritual purposes would be likely to inject it or to obtain an injectable form.
There is no-one out there injecting themselves with cannabis.

But no doubt you now feel that you've defended your ego against suggestions that there might be areas of life about which you know very little.

 

yep

 

It is foolish to imagine we know everything. No body does.
It is equally a mistake to deny our own ignorance. It means that we can easily get trapped and never be able to move on.
Myself, I know that there are many areas about which I know very little or nothing. I don't have a problem with that, as it's obvious that in a world as complex as this, nobody can possibly have all knowledge or know about everything.


Quite honestly, I still say the idea of people injecting cannabis is nonsense put about by the powers that be to try to frighten people and control them with lies. It is disinformation designed to make it look far worse than it is. Danger with such disinfo comes when people see through it. It undermines the integrity of the source.

 

rascal scientists

 

it is equally foolish to imagine you don't know something when you do BBB, but whatever this discussion has no basis and does not really take one anywhere.

Peace!

 

yea i know, lets start by logging off and banning our computers made by rascal scientists, You first then i will okay?

 

But I do know quite a bit about cannabis usage.
I think this discussion has as much basis as any other that goes on here.

 

Foolishness begins where silence ends. I understand that statement makes a fool of me.

 

Perhaps then we should abandon the effort to communicate with others and become trappists?

 

To add to that: This thread is about Vaishnavism and Shaivism. It is well known that many Shaivite sadhus smoke ganga, and even refer to it as Shiva.
So I think there probably is some relevance in discussing cannabis use here. The fact that some don't like it is immaterial. Facts are facts.

And don't forget Rastafarians - they regard it as a sacrament.

 

No siddhis in sight yet, so I have to continue relying on typing and speaking. If that makes me a fool as well, so be it.

Facts are facts...the brains of these sadhus and Rastas are surely like well-used bongs...caked with cannabis resin. Take away their weed and where would they be?