Sex Offender Registry

Me thinks that sex offender laws are good.

An adult having sex with a minor is a crime. If you don't think that an adult having "consensual" sex with a minor involves a degree of exploitation, you are ignorant. If you're one of these people who says, "well, I had sex with a 21 y/o when I was 15 and it was fine," I'm glad that you aren't traumatized but you still got exploited.

I know tons of people who got urinations in public (must be the company I keep) and none of them have to register.

Just my 2 cents.

 

I disagree

The Associated Press
Dec 15, 2006

ATLANTA - The Georgia Supreme Court has turned down an appeal from a teen who was sentenced to 10 years in prison for having sex with a 15-year-old.

In a ruling released Friday, the court denied a motion for reconsideration filed by lawyers for Genarlow Wilson, who was 17 when he and the 15-year-old engaged in consensual oral sex. He was sentenced for aggravated child molestation.

Maybe it's different in Ventura California than it is in Bumfuk Tennessee or Backwater Georgia.

 

oh shit, i'm moving to Georgia...

ie: anyone?

 

OK my point is yes sex laws are good. But there are sex laws that are vague, lame and can easily be abused. In one of my earlier posts I listed things that can and have been categorised as sex crimes and some of them are pretty banal. More than 5 sex toys in Texas is a far cry from raping a 5 year old.

As far a Public Urination goes that depends on the officer. If the officer is an asshole you can get busted for that. If you are belligerant about it they can fuck your life up.

In some states if you are caught with your dick in somebody elses mouth even if they are of age you are guilty of Sodomy.

Threads like this to me are an amazing look at peoples attitudes. When somebody mentions "Sex Laws" the different things that come to peoples minds vary wildly. Logic versus knee jerk reaction.

Neither the original poster or anybody who has posted here has advocated for the repeal of all sex laws. But the media has given us a bias as to what a "Sex Offender" is and how they think or believe. Like I said earlier if you look at sex offender laws with legal definitions everyone on this thread could be considered a sex offender.

OK so I'll own up here are the sex laws that I've broken and what I've done to break them:
Skinny dipped, Mooned a crowd with an anti war slogan written on my ass, urinated in public (Indecent exposure), Gotten blow jobs, eaten pussy, jerked off, used a condom, had anal sex all with girls that were of age and willing(Sodomy), and Traveled by plane and train with a Penthouse magazine in my belongings (Interstate Transportation of Obsene Materials).

I was never arrested for any of these things but I could've been. Do you feel like you need to protect your children from me? Do you feel like I should register as a sex offender? It seems to me if you think that all of the sex laws are justified and that all of the people that break them should have to register you should look at your life, your past and your actions and see if you have honored all of these laws. Chances are that you haven't. And if the law ever crawled up your ass for them you would be the first to cry fowl. He who lives in a glass house should throw no stones.

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

I agree with most of the sex offender laws in my state. I don't know all of them so I should look into it.

There is a site here (not sure if it was just my state's thing or if there if it was a nation-wide thing) that tells what the offenders crime is and the general area where they live so you can decide how comfortable you would be living near one depending on what they did. Some you kind of get the idea they were screwed over by a pissed off ex or something but we have lived near a few very questionable and almost scary ones. My Mom used to check that site when before allowing us to roam around on our own as children. Sad that she has to be so paranoid. I wonder if it would have been different if we lived in a small town. I hear some people don't even have to lock their doors or their cars up just to run in to the store for a second in small towns. AMAZING! lol.

 

In some ways it is worse in a small town. I grew up in a small town where you don't have to lock your doors. The problem is when you grow up in that environment feuds can go on for years. The macho jock that had a problem with you in high school can then become the town sheriff and guess who still has a problem with you. Guess which stupid easy to abuse laws come up. ALL OF THEM!!! Spitting on the sidewalk, j walking, hitchhiking, public urination, your car is too loud, noise complaints etc....

It isn't the fact that we have sex laws that bugs me. It isn't the registry that bothers me. It is the rediculousness of some of the laws that bothers me. It is the fact that some right wing religious nutjob can convince other right wing religious nutjobs that if you own more than 5 Sex Toy's you are a danger to society that bothers me. And if you are fine with the sex laws remaining as is with these ludacris laws remaining as is than you bother me.
Peace Out,
Rev J

 

Yeah, the law always comes down to the prejudices and misinterpretations of the cop that sees a "crime," and the same for the prosecutor and judge. All using the letter of the law, which lawyers will argue they must, and missing the entire spirit of the law. That is why such laws need to be specific as to what you wish to prevent.

Unfortunately most of these laws were made by sex-negative ppl who could not imagine that oral sex was the norm and not a perversion. BTW, I don't know the implication of the Texas case in 2003, where two gay men were caught in "Sodomy" that went to the U.S. Supreme court but it may have gotten rid of all the so-called Sodomy laws in the nation. I know the point was applying the Sodomy law to gays only which was determined to violate equal access.

However, my WIFE and I violated the same laws in Florida and Louisiana. Yeah, before you go defending "sex laws" remember that they regulated sex between consenting adults, even legally married adults. Never enforced? Ask the Georgia guy who spent two years in jail for cunnilingus with his wife. No one even saw him do this heinous crime, he naively mentioned it while under oath on the witness stand for something else - so away to jail.

To me, those kinds of laws that go against nature are frightening.

 

^^I'm glad you live in Miami not Berkeley next to me you fucking pervert. Just kidding!
Peace Out,
Rev J

 

thanks for this thread... i am truely shocked by some of the things you have illustrated... i really need to check out the laws in Georgia before i go then... can't believe cunnilingus is against the law? between two consenting adults??? ridiculous! i suppose it makes it more sexy if we are doing something we are not allowed to do, by law, but that's not the point... i am gobsmacked!!! you may have saved me from jail... not even sure if my fiance knows about this and he lives there!....

 

Actully, the one who recives it is charged with possessing child porn. The one who sends it is charged with DISTRIBUTING child porn, a much greater charge. Or at least, that's how it's happend in the cases I've read about.

 

Actually that is history now. It was overturned by a case in Texas in 2003. However, Georgia is notorious for having put a guy away for cunnilingus and being the setting for the Bowers vs Hardwicke case that failed in the U.S. Supreme court before the court did the right thing with the Texas case.

Here is an article I wrote at the time:

Morality Laws
Shale Stone
July 12, 2003

Finally, on June 26, 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court did what spineless legislators in Florida and 12 other backward states had neglected to do for too many years and overturned the intrusive laws that vainly tried to dictate how consenting adults made love in the privacy of their own homes. These laws are popularly referred to as "anti-sodomy," itself a violation of separation of church and state and were based in ignorance of the human condition.

These morality laws predated the historic revelations of Dr. Alfred Kinsey's research into human sexuality in the late '40s that showed the number of people who engaged in such "perversions" such as anal or oral sex were actually in the mainstream of sexual practice. Throughout the Twentieth Century, activists have been trying to get these religious edicts removed from the laws of a supposed secular state but no politician (notice the absence of the term legislative leader) would take up the cause. Therefore, it was left to the courts to finally rid us of these intrusions into our private lives and these violations of our constitutionally guaranteed rights.

The overturning of these archaic laws was long overdue and much reference to the infamous Supreme Court decision in "Bowers vs. Hardwick" where a five to four decision upholding Georgia's "anti-sodomy" law in 1986 was seen as a failed opportunity to bring the U.S. into the modern world of personal freedom. Michael Hardwick never did jail time for his crime of engaging in oral sex with another man and his was just a case that should have been the definitive blow to unjust laws in all these backward, mostly Southern states.

Years later, former Supreme Court Justice, Lewis Powell, Jr. said he regretted not deciding against the Georgia law. That would have had the same effect 17 years earlier as the current "Lawrence vs. Texas" decision. Powell's excuse for not doing the right thing in 1986 was that he thought the decision "of little or no importance" because no one actually had been prosecuted for sodomy, (Miami Herald, 10-26-90).

That decision was too bad for James David Moseley, who spent over a year-and-a-half in a Georgia jail for committing the same crime. Actually, Moseley was not caught in the act of having consensual oral sex with his wife but admitted to it while under oath in court on a related charge of which he was acquitted. To his surprise, based on his testimony, he was convicted of violating the Georgia sodomy statute, which was upheld in the "Bowers vs Hardwick" Supreme Court case and he was sentenced to five years in prison for the admitted felony. Moseley said he had no idea that it was a crime to have oral sex with his wife.

In 1998, probably out of embarrassment for having such an archaic law being advertised worldwide for the past 12 years, the Georgia Supreme Court, in another case involving a heterosexual couple, struck down the Georgia sodomy law as an unconstitutional violation of the right to privacy. That removed Georgia from the list of backward states with archaic "sodomy" laws, leaving just 13, of which Florida was one. And, just like the Georgia law, Florida made oral or anal sex illegal for everyone, gay or straight.

The Florida Lewd and Lascivious law (FS 800.02) was never brought to court, thus it never got the publicity that the Georgia law received. The belief was that the Florida Constitution which guarantees that Florida citizens be left alone and have a right to privacy, superceded this intrusive law and no one would attempt to prosecute it. Nevertheless, it has remained on the books since 1917, an embarrassment to the concept of personal freedom, and made criminals out of me, my wife, my male lovers and just about everyone I know.

Like most Americans, I agree that there should be no laws regulating what consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes. Unlike most Americans, Justice Antonin Scalia still doesn't get it. As one of the three dissenting votes in this landmark decision he was quoted as saying that the majority opinion "effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation." Well, let's hope so! What gives anyone the right to regulate the morals of consenting adults in a free society?

"Lawrence vs. Texas" is a landmark civil rights decision, and will eventually replace the previous failed effort of "Bowers vs. Hardwick" in the American consciousness. Will they teach about this case in high school civics classes? Probably not, it's too embarrassing to acknowledge how backward our laws were. There is very little knowledge in America about "Loving vs. Virginia," a landmark civil rights case which was every bit as important to civil liberties. That was the U.S. Supreme Court opinion on June 12, 1967, which allowed a white man to marry a black woman, and ended all the remaining miscegenation laws in pretty much the same backward states that continued having "anti-sodomy" laws.

The "Loving vs. Virginia" case had relevance to me because my interracial marriage would have been illegal in Florida had we married just a dozen years earlier. However, my wife and I were still able to practice illegal activity in our bedroom under the other intrusive Florida law that did not exempt heterosexual married couples.

I find it relevant that the "Lawrence vs. Texas" decision came down in June, the anniversary month of "Loving vs. Virginia." Besides being elated at the final invalidation of laws against oral or anal sex between consenting adults, I am particularly pleased with the poetic way it ended, involving another interracial couple who wanted to express their love for each other despite the social stigma and laws against it.

 

Oh, in the matter of pedo registry inequity, notice there aren't too many Catholic priests on it.

That's because the church didn't do the right thing for decades (if not centuries) and looked the other way. Well, to use a somewhat gay term "The chickens are coming home to roost" with the current shit going down and lawsuits about to break the Vatican bank.

So, it's not who you blow as a pedophile, it's who you know (Ratzinger).

I used to work at a boys home in 1980 still run by the Archdiocese of New Orleans. There were a couple nuns and brothers still in administration. One was Brother Harold, who always had boys tagging after him. He eventually got ratted out by one of the bad boys - not because the boy was actually hurt or anything, just that Bro. Harold wouldn't give him some favor he wanted. So, did the Archdiocese call the police? No, true to what is in the news today, he was shipped off to someplace in Texas. Hope it wasn't taking care of adolescent boys.

I recently checked online and found out that Hope Haven was closed down around 2007 because of the lawsuits for abuse stemming from the '60s. Guess it became a liability.


Oh BTW, despite some in the Vatican trying to lay the problem of pedo priests onto its whipping boy, homosexuals (I'm a homo - not a pedo), only About 10% of abuses were true pedophilia, with the rest being ephebophilia (Adolescents with pubic hair) and of that, 30% of ephobo priests go after little girls.

I just saw the movie Kick Ass and couldn't resist captioning this production pic of Hit Girl.

 

thanks Shale... very interesting... still don't know what's legal and what's not though... so i'll just do what i and my partner want to do and make sure we keep our mouths shut (figuratively speaking ofcourse )
:cheers2:

 

At the very least, the age should be changed to 16. If your old enough to drive, your old enough to have sex with whomever you choose.

 

you could do that in pennsylvania, but you couldnt give the minors drug or alcohol, but you can fuck and all that other stuff.. :coffee:

 

That's not even true. It's a 4 year law in Pa. If you are under 18 and at least 16 you can have consensual sex with anyone 4 years your senior.

 

cases may go to trial but often beat on techs.. consent age 16, there is no gray age area you speak of, unless the judge is pissed or the family dont approve..

 

In Australia, the Sex Offender Registry slaps you with a conspicuous 7-year minimum watch, among a raft of severe restrictions on movement. It was recently applied to a 57-year old male for life after picking up a 10-year old girl and fingering her. So I think the Registry here in Victoria, as in other States too, is working as intended.

 

The problem is that things are never that black and white. Having a blanket law that tries to cover all the bases gets a lot of innocent folks branded as monsters. As someone posted earlier....do you always ask for an ID before a one night stand? Suppose that hot chick or dude you just did awesome, naughty things with turns out to be a sixteen year old....

My Dad was twenty-one and my Mom sixteen when they got married. My Sister was born when Mom was just seventeen. So, Dad sure as fuck didn't wait around for Mom to hit the magic number of eighteen so they could procreate like goodly christians.

I'd love to hear you explain to my Dad how he's a pedophile. Then you could try and explain it again with more clarity while Dad's loading his 12 gauge.

 

Bam Margera's uncle Don Vito is on the West Chester Pa Sex offenders list.