sex and "I love you"s

COMPLETELY RIGTH!

 

tright there, that is wrong
there are many reasons (as listed)

you are focussed on making your point, but you aren't listening to a thing I'm saying
you are a terrible advice giver *nods*

 

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "NATURAL" ??????
Making a thread asking intelectually about it and debating the subject, or let it flow naturally from your heart and mouth and just telling her the moment you feel it, or making a strategy as the best way to proceede to get "naturally" into her pants, and her hand into yours, and slowly come inside her vagina, using calculated steps..
That doesnt sounds natural, as well as speculating as to what her reaction will be ad wil she feel pressed into soemthign or not or will it engage you all the sudden or not..

And here we touch the core, you said it yourself, you dotn want to say it because then it will engage you towards her and thats what you dont want to do: to engage yourself..
And thats exactly the point as why women want to hear the guy say "i love you" so tha tthey are sure that the guy gave its word to her, and that he engaged himself by doing so, meaning he loves them really and is not after some gooddies, as you are!
You dont love her, you want goodies.
If you loved her you wil not bescare to engage yourself by telling her you love her.
Lovign someone is not too intense of a love, whatevert hat one mean,, there si different kind and different levels of love and saying i love you doesnt influence this thats the way you say it that influence it.
In a borring uconvicing wqy, or a passionate way, or just a shy way, you choose but not telling her by fear to engage yourself is to be cynical.
What are you afraid of exactly? to get married the second you say it?
If you dont get rid of that prejudice now, you are going to end up as so many 40 years old guy who cant never o over the superficial level for fear to get involved, and who are run away groom for their entire life.
They just cant stick to it, have a boogie man picture of what being engaged, or promising oneself to one means, with astronomical proportions that they cant handle, and for good reasons: it doesnt exist but in their heads.
All you engage is your love for her. Nothing more.
How serious the relation is you decide on your own, but if you dont take her seriously, what are you doing with her then?
testing how far you can go and how long it will take you to get there???

 

AGAIN, RIGTH ON SPOT. YOU KNOW STING song duck? the one call " how many times must i say i love you before you finally understand"
listen to it.
not only do we want to hear it and need to hear it, bt we want to hear it all the time.. at least every times..

 

as I already fully explained, in no way do I onyl tocuh her in a sexual manner
I am touching her constantly and I would estimate well under 5% is sexual

 

I didn't automatically connect it to sex demands, quite obviously
just by making a thread comparing and contrasting doesn't mean they are directly connected

you people are fuckign ridiculous

 

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES MUST I SAY?!?!?
ALL WOMEN ARE NOT THE SAME

if you refer to all women as having the same exact view on the matter as yours, one more time, I will not read another post of yours in this thread.

 

Oh yes i have been listening and hearing the rigth things and followed your pattern, and all what you come with are just excuses, bad excuses to dont do so, like actions are good enough no need for more.
The truth here is that you are both scared of saying it and scare to engage yourself in ay way.. in short, you dont love her with all your heart, youj like touching her and her touching you and the idea of going further and getting real sex at some point.. without saying i LOVE YOU if you can be free for it..
Thats a very egoistical way to view the thing and what you are trying to do is to score her without taking any risks.
You dont love her, which explain.
When talking open with rasprophecy that wasnt the romantic you focused on but only the sexual part.
thats alright, but very sad that already you are being so calculated..you dont leave place for improvisations and what comes on its own, you watch your steps and wait for the right moment to jump, like an animal on its victim.
Hunter and hunting is what you are doing, the way you talk about it, not loving.

 

no, they are not excuses, they are my reasons

ok, for now on, all of my motives are excuses
I didn't need to pee
it was just an excuse
I don't need to eat
that's just an excuse

I liek how you know that she is scared to say it, without ever talkign to her

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

we are not talking about all women, dude, we are tlaking about humans needs and needs to be sure, and you are saying that your reason to dont say it is that you dont want to get into deep nor to be serious with her, menaing you dont love her but are just after getting laid.
Then say it, no big deal, but dont ask about saying i love you to her or not when you dont love her to begin with..
There has been many people telling you that you had to tell her if you loved her, and that physical touches were not enough.. but you only want to hear your own version of things.
Why dont you ask her instead?
And if she ask you if you love her, what are you going to say? No! ???

 

i didnt said SHE was scared to say it, but that YOU were scare to say it, and it is very cleqar tha tyou can misunderstand that only show how blind you are to your own limits and your real reasons to be with her, and to dont tell her what you got to tell her..
to eat and pee is not the same as saying i love you, well i hope you can see and feel the difference.

When saying "both" i wasnt refering to "both of you" but to both reasons/ thing you came with that you are scared about.
She isnt scre to say it, she is waiting for you to say it, to dont press you in saying it back if you dont feel it.
Thats pretty basic.¨
If you dont believe me ask her best girlfriend and be ready to hear some truth...

 

"None of what she said represents how I feel" that is a quote, from a woman.

that invalidates basically everything you said
because the whole of your posts were based on your insecurities being absolute throughout your gender

 

she was talking about only words no actions, be blind dont tell her you love her, fuck her and drop her as your plans obvioulsy are.

 

WHAT?

okay, that's it

I'm done with you.

 

(I'm aware this quote is old.)
'And what has loving you to do with havign sex with you?'
Well Lorna, some of us who aren't diseased ridden sluts with no morals only wish to have sex with those who we trust and love and know that these feelings are reciprocated.
I admire Duck for holding back on the 'I love you's as it should never be said lightly and I think the longer you wait the more special it will be for his girl to hear it.
You see Lorna, I am also female - but that doesn't mean I agree with what you're saying because the truth is you don't represent women. In fact you barely represent yourself what with your many typos.
So perhaps you should shut your trap? Bitch.

 

(I'm aware this quote is old.)
'And what has loving you to do with havign sex with you?'
Well Lorna, some of us who aren't diseased ridden sluts with no morals only wish to have sex with those who we trust and love and know that these feelings are reciprocated.
I admire Duck for holding back on the 'I love you's as it should never be said lightly and I think the longer you wait the more special it will be for his girl to hear it.
You see Lorna, I am also female - but that doesn't mean I agree with what you're saying because the truth is you don't represent women. In fact you barely represent yourself what with your many typos.
So perhaps you should shut your trap? Bitch.

 

Duck, believe it or not, Lorna is giving you valuable information. She's trying to help you, not hurt you.

I agree all women are not the same, and she's not trying to speak about ALL women, but a trait that is common to MOST of us women. Most of us (not ALL of us) not only watch what you do, but we listen to what you say. Most of us (not ALL of us) replay your words in our minds, and try to match it up with your actions.

And based on your words and actions in responding to some of the posters in this thread, I have changed my mind about telling your lady that you love her. You're right in holding back on saying it, because you don't truly love her yet.

I'm not saying you don't care about her, I'm not saying you're all after getting sex from her, but based on most of your other posts, I would have to say you're not in love with your lady, you're just infatuated with her. There's a big difference, though one is often mistaken for the other.

 

has she one time said 'most' or 'many'? nope.

no. no, that is not the case at all

but nice try


I love how all three of you are suppossed to be accepting open minded people (you, soaringeagle, and Lorna)
yet, Lorna says that I am only scared and any other reason is only an excuse
she says that my girlfriend has doubts
she says that women (notice the lack of 'most') need to hear words

and you are saying that you can't love someone unless you want to say you love them

 

Lorna didn't say "most" or "many", but she DID try to communicate with you that this was a characteristical trend. That's as good as saying "most" or "many".

All three of us are older than you, and have been through some things, but hey, what the hell do we know about life and love?

And I NEVER said you can't love someone unless you want to say you love them. Please re-read my posts, because if THAT'S all you took from what I said, you misread them to begin with.

I am NOT trying to give you a ration of crap, Duck. That was the furthest thing from my mind when I posted to this thread.

 

You're all fucking insane.

We've all heard of men telling women they love them in order to get them into bed and get anything else they want before leaving them once bored. And I think we can all agree that it's a shitty thing to do.
So why are we (by mean I mean all of you) attacking a guy for not wanting to jump to the L word? If he's not read he's not ready. And when he is ready it'll just feel all the more special.
They're both happy and you should accept that.
As for your problem Duck I think you should say it when you get that mad urge to... Like when you can feel it slipping out of your mouth. Purely genuine.
This has turned into a massive issue. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
I wish there were more men like you. =)