just what i was thinking, also when people say research, it simply means someone has gone out and designed it. it could be prejudice, for example has the people definatly researched all ages and cultures or just the ones they think will get the results they are looking for. and also 50% of their research group may have money at the top of their list and personality as least important and the remaining 50% may have personailty most important and money least and because the first 50% validate findings the other 50% might not even be considered S
The women who do think that are incredibley naive or very good hearted and non- judgemental. I don't mind if guys prefer thin women, or athletic women ,or women with big boobs or plain women. Whatever that's their choice and their standards. I would never date a guy who didn't have a stable job, didn't work his hardest and have infinite amounts of ambition, didn't know what he wanted in life, never went to college, has less than me (material wise or in the brains department). After dating people I wasn't attracted to I won't date anyone who is short, not athletic and not my type anymore...It just leaves me dissapointed and leaves them insecure. I'm selfish, materialistic, superficial and I have damn high standards so I would never dream of insulting a guy if he said I wasn't thin enough, or he preferred girls with blue-eyes, blue blood educations...whatever his thing may be I would have no right to insult it just because I don't fit the description. And vice-versa, no guy has a right to insult me for my preferences.
but the one thing I can't stand are guys who are 'Fat Fattests'. If you are going to insult me because I've put on a few pounds you better be looking pretty trim and buff yourself. Guys who are disgustingly out of shape who have the nerve to insult women who are untoned are moronic douche bags. -after being with two men who were so outta shape they had more jiggle than a playboy bunny party insulting me for putting on a few pounds and being too nice to call their fatass out I harbor resentment and if either of them has the nerve to ever speak that way to me again may god help them and their beer guts.
For women, how much money the man makes is paramount.[/QUOTE] Please dude! Thats for those Holly Wood bimbos, that accounts for about 0.00001% of the female population. women genarally don't care most women say that the first thing they look at is how he interacts with childeren and/ or how well he communicates with otherrs and her. For me it's how they nteract with nature and animals. Men are far more prejudice in the fact more likely than not it is love at first sight because of physical features and older men are more proned to choose a women because of who she is not what she looks like. BTW, there is an association of men who only sleep with biggger women.
Dating sites? U need to get ur info from independent sources, the into is biased to people all over the world who dont go to those sites a good maybe 90% of women in the US don't go on those sites. Seriously, check at least three places for statistics before you make a statement that offends so many people.
I agree, it was very ignorant of him to make a statement like that. Im skinny as hell but genarally the boys in my school prefer curves, I have a bit of curve, poles and people at other forums have shown that most men prefer curvy women with an adverage of about 2% on each site and other places combined who say they don't.
I think the kind of person Im visually attracted to is influenced by the media and my surroundings I like those skinny, messy hair guys, jeans falling down, cool t-shirts on... but I just like to look at them. I think maybe twice I've actually been involved with what I consider my "type". On the other hand I've been we so many different types of guys, guys I dont consider visually attractive... but I love how they make me feel, so I guess is really about that, how you feel around the person and how your intreaction with this person is. I mean I've would have missed out on great people and great experiences with people if I didnt gave them a chance, so i guess is not wrong to be attracted to certain kind of persons is you know if you're not willing to stretch the boundaries.
That was so insightful. I appreciate people like you! We all have a perception (thanks to the media) of what we consider to be perfect. I see perfection of a male to be pale, tall, skinny, and with long hair but I became attracted to males that were not my perception of attractive (older men, blondes, red heads, short men, over weight men) not because of their looks or money but because of the way they treat their envierment and animals or because of the intellegent manor at which they hold conversation.
To everyone: read Freakonomics. You can say that a nobel prize winning economist is wrong and biased (though we are all biased to an extent if you want to get philosophical), but what you BELIEVE is nothing and what they have shown is something. I didn't say looks are paramount for men and how much money a man makes for women because thats what I would like to think or to offend anybody. Infact, I would rather that those statements not be true, but unfortunately they are, so don't get mad at me. "Please dude! Thats for those Holly Wood bimbos, that accounts for about 0.00001% of the female population. "- brainstew Over 9 million people, the majority of whom are women, use eHarmony.com alone. We are only in the beginnings of scientific matching. I guess people, instead of thinking about a problem, use whatever moral system they have worked out in their heads to create an idealistic response to a fact they don't like, without even considering weather or not it might be valid. Thats probably why it took hundereds of years for science to undermine the authority of the Catholic Church and get capitalism started. I'm not a troll. I am just wondering to what extent the media has warped my mind. Someone said most men like curvy women, which I am guessing is true, but isn't that what is portrayed mostly in the media? How much are our preferrences programmed, and is there something in our nature that determines who we will find attractive?
No Science took so damn long to be accepted because of oppression the idea's related to your thread are about believing in the better side of humanity. Having said that i my self used an example from my own life, i have no moral doctrine for loving or fucking (well i do have a moral compass which relates to who i fuck and how i feel about others) or combining both, they are what they are and from my experiance they are not what you say they are.
What did I say they are? I made a generalization, which leaves room for exceptions. There is no way I specifically said what your preferrences are. And obviously what I said implied that people oppressed science. That is because they didn't like the new ideas.
If womyn only like men because of money, then the poor and the middle class would have disappeared by now. All these dudes would not have been able to find mates, as only the rich dudes would have womyn. Also, this would cause men to do more to MAKE more money, which, from what I see, isn't happening at all.
the funny thing is the poor and midlle class outnumber the upper class.. so I dunno this women might not be good at math or something
It doesn't make the poor and middle classes disappear, but it does cause less people to get together, get married, and to break up and get divorced more. More and more poor guys are not able to find women who will date them. Families with less money are more likely to be torn apart by divorce. Because our society is highly polarized and becoming more polarized, the divorce rate is increasing. According to the New York Times, poor people report being less happy than rich people. How many couples argue and fight over money issues? This does make men want to earn more money, but the chances of living the American dream are slim to nothing. They are almost nothing for the poor, and the middle class isn't much better off than the poor. By middle class, I mean the 2nd richest quintile.
Men interpret us as wanting somone 'rich' when in fact we just want somone who is financially secure and has their shit together. I have had a huge problem dating the past year because I make more than most guys my age...especially in San Diego...guys stay completley dependent on their parents throughout their entire 20's so they can surf all the time. If I am a 25 year-old woman who makes a decent living, is attractive and not fat, is educated, has a nice car, can afford to go on vacations and eat in good resturaunts with my girlfriends, has a family that is relativley well off...am I really going to seek a guy who is okay with not being financialy secure and is dependent on his family and happy about it? I am not a gold digger but I'm not paying for dinner either.
That's because the upper class is more likely to use birth control. Patially because they are educated and have educated parents and partially because there are less catholics.
Im 20. I come from a upper middle class family. I travel a lot, I eat at nice restaurants. I live in a very nice neighborhood. I sometimes wear expensive clothes, sometimes I dont. I like to always be doing things. My dad is going to give a very nice car. I live at home with my mom but I work and pay for my own college and for my everything. Does any of this matters at the end of the day? not at all...I've been with guys that are broke and when I say broke I mean broke... I never mind the paying for their stuff because for me it wasnt me paying them is me sharing something with them. I mean we could do nothing and we would have fun but I choose to do something and we had fun. Attraction goes a long way.. Love goes to even greater lenghts. Maybe my emotions go without reason, but I like them like that. It shouldnt matter what the person has, is who the person is, that's not determined by how much money they have in their pockets, its not determined about what kind of job they have is how they do things they do, how they see life. The most interesting people I've met have been the people that are so unnatached to material things.. maybe that's why I end up with so many of them.. because I envy that.
ohh and that's what my way of stating that women are not attracted to money because guys in lower classes have wives and girlfriends who love them.
yes I don't understand people who think that who pays for dinner is important, to me its not about choosing a mate its about chemistry, its ethier there or it isn't and I would question wether anyone who places importance on a pay packet to such a degree can ever really be happy. I think when dating its important that ones partner doesn't ethier pay to much or to little, that no one is useing the other. thats what being in an equal relationship is all about. S
