seriously considering attempting to organize a group here again.

That is so kind of the two of you to open yourselves up like that. You will survive when the shit hits the fan. I wish I had more survival skills than I do but I am trying to learn....quickly. I absolutely agree with the whole strength/safety in numbers theory. I wish you luck! (if i could talk my sig o into it we'd be with ya in a heartbeat)

 

Hell, I'd join up with you folk if I was American and wasn't in school right now. I myself do not believe in the imminent economical collapse, yet I do believe in an upcoming recession and I extremely value your dedication to a self-sustaining and independent living arrangement, and I also like you both as people. I will get my citizenship in a couple of years, and then... who knows. I have plenty of landscaping and agricultural experience in my short life, and I'm the kind of person who'd rather work than sit around... I feel trapped if I'm not busy doing something. I put up 8 hour days of non-stop physical labour here, workin' over down yonder at your place actually sounds like a vacation to me .

Anyhow, good luck to both of you if you're still looking for folk. You're good people and it's extremely kind of you to open up your doors like that. It's a shame that you had to take so much shit in this thread from a bunch of idiots.

 

kinda neat pavel,, me an dilli were just remembering how not long ago you had no trouble admitting you had no work experience(at least with hard labor) and how you knew nothing about agriculture etc. and here you are a couple short years later growing confident in your work ethic and abilities..

it certainly has been a pleasure watching you grow up..

 

Growing up has surely been a pleasure in itself.

I've been head grower here for the last couple of weeks because the grower is on vacation. This means that I have 7 Mexicans working under me and I get to boss them around. Got all the work we would have gotten done with the other grower in a week in 2 days... gave me a chance to take a couple of days off after hurtin' my back a tad. I've truly learned to love hard work though, I cannot imagine life with a desk job.

I can also grow some badass plants now.

I gotta at least visit you folks for a bit at some point. I've been wanting to for too long. I need to find a way to make me some money... gotta use my Jew skills.

 

jew skills,, lol..
dont worry i hear those are inherent traits of your kind..

doors open anytime my friend..

take care of your back,,as someone who has dealt with back issues for many years i can tell you if you hurt it once its almost inevitable you will do it time and time again..

 

Yesssir. Layin' in bed restin' all day. Hope that it's just gonna go away over the weekend, don't wanna go see the doc, avoid the doc like the plague.

 

is it the small of your back or up high?

worst i ever hurt mine was right between the shoulder blades.. took 9 months before i finally felt 100%

deep tissue massage combined with a chiropractor works wonders.most legit chiropractors have a massage therapist in office. fuck a MD for back problems..

 

Lower back...

It sucks.

I might have to go to a chiropractor if it persists, yet I'm gonna delay it as much as possible. I just hope that I didn't damage a disk or anything... I pulled it carrying a very heavy table. It was the 50th or so of the day... and that one just got me. The worst thing is that I have chronic neck pain from an old basketball injury and the back pain seems to trigger that too... no fun.

 

oh i never did say,,
yes we are still open to the possibility of having the right couple or person enter into a partnership with us here.
however as i said this is all dependent on what the other party has to bring to table..
as was already stated if this is to be,it must be on a somewhat equal level or at the very least the person or persons must accept that the effort we have put in here thus far dictates we have final say on decisions or it simply wont work..

 

when things start getting worse ill be intrested in something like that

 

hell ya! the worlds goin ta hell and this system is takin us for a crash landing with no disregard for us! ive been wantin to do the same thing to. been tryin to scrape some cash for land, somewhere nice and away from this corruption. im with ya! if i can get my thing started too everyone with a backup plan for when it hits the fan plan should form some kind of hippie underground railroad communications thing. im in all the way.

"though born on diffrent days, we swear an oath of brotherhood and vow to die the same year, same month, and very same day, for we will always be united os one!"
Lui Bie,Guan Yu and Zhang Fie Romance of the 3 kingdoms

 

My wife and I are in the process of planning the same thing, hippiehillbilly. I'd like to PM you but I can't figure out how.

Will you email me at longstocking [at] libertytribe.com?

If nothing else, we should connect. We're on the same page.

 

our e mail is hillydill@yahoo.com

gotta get goin,,been down with a abscessed tooth,gotta make up for lost time,,e mail we will get back at ya/..

 

Those of us that do know what it means to work through blisters bursting and sweat burning our eyes (actually it doesn't burn as much once its actually running through and not just dripping) are mostly occupied in our own endeavors. Unfortunately for me the land I have acquired is surrounded by urbanity, not a good neighborhood either. I am concerned with our security in a disaster scenario, hell even a significant depression would have me guarding our gardens with a loaded rifle from starving speedfreaks, potheads, alcoholics, pillpoppers and otherwise just lazyass welfare bums that are abundant around here. Because of that your call attracts me, your place seems nearly ideal, and you and dili seem to have your heads on at a good angle. However spouse, occupation and mortgage keep me rooted. If that changes I would like to visit but at this rate it might be too late by then. Maybe I can sell this place but not unless the housing market inclines.

 

lol, I said something in another thread to you hhb about me keeping quiet cause of the response I usually get.... the propert response at that time was "you haven't seen anything yet"... lol

I've noticed I tend to jump rather quickly against people when they start to speak about this stuff... catch phrases that catch my eye and make me want to rant

"I would come but.... "
"In a couple of years when I finish this...."
"When TSHTF, I'll be there..."
"One day when I have skills..."

I mean come on people... in what world do you live in that you think telling people that have put their lives into building themselves a safe and secure home, is going to get a good reaction when they are being told they should openly let just anyone who wants to come benefit from it?

When you tell someone that you will come, but first you want to do this and this and this... how do you expect them to react? Oh, go ahead, spend your time and energy enjoying your life with all the benefits of society, and then when society collapses, come on out and we'll share ours with you?

The most common thought process for people who jump up to say, Oh I wanna come" seems to be that there is always something that is more important in their life then building towards secure future.

I wouldn't want to speak for others here, but for me at the least, and I'm sure at least a few of the ones who are doing something towards this, the answer to 'what does a person who truly wants to come and be a part of it have to bring', is going to be the same. A desire to work, and a recognition of the fact that you are going to peoples HOMES. These aren't experiments (although even some doing them call them such) that are being done on a whim, for a kick, or to pass a year or two. These are examples of people living their life, and inviting your to SHARE it. Of course they are going to have criteria regarding whom they wish to do so with.

On a very related note....

One of the people who responded to hhb in here with an offer to come and work hard and blah blah blah, told me like 2 weeks ago. That there was nobody trying to live self-sufficiently who wanted things like the internet and telephone and so on, it went against the whole idea of it. Then they wondered why I stopped speaking to them about the idea at all... lol

Nothing, absolutely nothing about any of this amuses me and at the same time pisses me off more then those who are doing nothing, thinking they can tell those who are that they are doing it wrong.

Oh yeah, and stink, you and nothing but your strong back can come up here, just wear baggy clothing... lol Just keep in mind that if when the time comes, you get to stand on the road and beat the pariahs coming in lol

 

Tom, exactly who's response evoked your reaction?

 

I see many responses that spark that sort of reaction in me. To quote tom "When you tell someone that you will come, but first you want to do this and this and this... how do you expect them to react? Oh, go ahead, spend your time and energy enjoying your life with all the benefits of society, and then when society collapses, come on out and we'll share ours with you?

The most common thought process for people who jump up to say, Oh I wanna come" seems to be that there is always something that is more important in their life then building towards secure future."

Until people are put between a rock and a hard place they want to carry on carrying on and doing what they have been doing. Only when the SHTF do they want to make the move and do what should or could have been done in the past however many months or years etc. Then when they come once there little worlds air clears they again go back to the mindset that they previously had and still expect the free ride in the same sort of eyes that they looked at things before hand...

It is sort of to me like the old story of the little red hen . When the wheat is ready to harvest everyone is around to reap what one or a few have sown. I guess therein lies the problem , those of us that live the life we type of and speak of do this sort of thing day in and day out and have no other option realize and understand the true value of hard work and sweat. Those that dream or read of the life have no real concept of all it actually entails in order to get that harvest.They have bits n pieces n yet nothing solid to base it on other than what little knowledge they possess . Yet they think, imagine and truly believe that there last five minutes of help before the harvest entitles them to the entire crop.

It is a hard lesson to learn ultimately. Not one many can begin to understand when all we hear day in and day out is to luv our brothers and sisters blah blah blah. Yet those of us that do this have to come to a realistic conclusion at the risk of being called land barons, demons, haters etc because we are the ones that get walked on, trampled over and risk everything we have worked so hard for when we bring others into the situation.

Have any of you that question tom or hhb or any of us that live this or have lived this ever had the joy of coming home from a 12 hour day of work off the land to see 14 people sitting around begging to catch a buzz and have there dinner made for them and yet nothing has been accomplished the entire day including measly puny things like feeding animals, harvesting vegetables or bringing in the fire wood to keep them all warm in the dead of winter... There is no greater let down than to see such basic things completely ignored day in and out only to be made out to be the bad guys when you tell those same people it is time to go.

This lifestyle is not glamorous, nor is it fun. It is not much different than any other life style choice in the end. You get out of it what is put into it. If nothing is put into it by you ,then expect nothing. That is simply how it is like it or not . When one wants into it and wants equal right when most has already been done, in order to save your own ass one must ask that some sort of contribution be made in order to justify sharing what one has done to get to the point they are at and to include someone that has done nothing. At what point in society did people learn that they are entitled to something for nothing and to have equal say in all of it simply by showing up when the game is won and nearly over.

 

In feeling that the past couple responses were reactions to my post I will further explain myself.

First of all, I am a land owner. I do work the land as well as a full time job. I do know what it means to work 12 hours a day. I have many skills including plumbing, electrical wiring, mechanical, computer repair, carpentry, and more. I do have many tools but always could use more and anyone with tools knows how true that is. I do have several animals and a garden. I have a military background and and idea of the need for security. I can bring a lot to the table but I won't be taken advantage of either.

I am not a hippy and I despise freeloaders. I have seen what you describe, both in my family and in places I have visited. Enablement by parents and later in life government is what ruins those people. I am closer to a workaholic and I am most happy when I am working on something. The best feeling to me is a sense of accomplishment. My only waste of time is my internet addiction.

If I were to visit you or anybody, and I had an inkling of a desire to commit myself, it would be on a trial basis on both sides of the table. I would come with a "hope for the best and expect the worst" frame of mind. I would not expect to be given anything other than maybe room and board in exchange for my work. I would expect after years of proving myself to be eligible to become a partner and have some tangible control and ability to have a say in the lands use, and security in what I have helped build.

If the shtf tomorrow I would not show up on your doorstep expecting to be taken in without having ever proven myself, you are a thousand miles away anyhow. And I have other "bug out" plans locally. Or I might try to defend this place, against the odds. At least getting to exterminate some of the crackheads in this neighborhood when they trespass into my land would be enjoyable, until they eventually killed off our livestock in the night, children in the day, etc.

I apologize for my dismal view and aggressive tone.

I understand you are "once bitten twice shy", and rightfuly so, but don't let your cynicism cause you to pre-judge people.

Good luck and in understanding where you come from I will see through your slightly hostile tones, and I think that someday I would like to at least visit and get to meet you in person HHB and Dili.

 

Seeker, they were not intended for you by any means,,,, your statement "Those of us that do know what it means to work through blisters bursting and sweat burning our eyes (actually it doesn't burn as much once its actually running through and not just dripping) are mostly occupied in our own endeavors." is loud and clear.



I dont post much on here but have been here many years though and seeing what tom said and a few others in the recent past have said is what sparked my lil rant. It in no way was intended toward anyone in particular and most definitely not you...

I can promise you our intentions are not to come across as brash or harsh however it often seems that way. It is nothing more than honesty in its bluntest of forms and all to often people simply take it in a critical sort of way.... I spose being the internet and not having the emotions and facial reactions etc to see how it is intended it is fairly easy to do...

 

No harm done my good lady, hopefully by either party. I'm pretty sure we're playing for the same team.

Perhaps at the least my ranting might serve a use as an indication for the dreamers of what type of attitude they might bring forward, meaning the willingness to give and prove before taking and expecting.