seriously considering attempting to organize a group here again.

look hippie hillbilly now thats a little bit more of a civilized response and i thank you for it...
now... not everything had been discused in that thread i linked(we are still in the beggining stages)... and we have had other conversations that are are not all on that forum....
....And yes i realize personal life has something to do with building a community... and when your going to be living with others character matters alot , but to take a single event i wrote about out of context from another forum, to mock me, is just the kind of thing an asshole does... But personal life is not open for ridicule like that, no matter who you fucking are....(oh and look it seems you already know your an asshole, and thats a good start...but good luck finding people to live with in a community when you treat them all like shit and belittle them and their dreams just to boost you ego)

And im so glad you find all of our methods of obtaining land disguisting...
personaly i wish the homestead act was still in place.... but its not. so we are trying to find other possible ways of obtaining land in the united states that rightfully as humans should be ours.... Now If your know Any secrets to getting land, ide love to hear it!...
and i dont think you understood what the methods we have been looking into are... because one thing they are not, are scamms....one method we looked into quite a deal is grants, and alot of people across the country every day use these sort of programs run by good americans as a means of acheiving their dreams, and they're not free, they require you to do work, sometimes publish articles to prove what you doing is working...another method i have thought about is finding some rich guy who has more land than he knows what to do with, and not play him like a fucking sugar daddy, but offer to work and live off his land, which a payment can always be aranged in a contract, such as 300 pounds of food a year for 10 years, and it can always be renagotiated as cercumstances change....
Now im not sure how these ideas are scams but since you apparently dont know what a scam is, heres a little example, now if i applied for getting a grant for building a agricultural community, and then bought a yacht with the money.... (thats a scam...)
If you truley know some other ways of obtaining land that arnt scams i'de really like to hear it, because what i have attempted so far has been quite arduous and difficult to achieve...

but looks... now this is a better conversation than before...so good job.
and i do understand what your saying as in the creation of the community you want to make, but no matter what you call it commune, eco-village, co-housing... your all still doing the same thing, trying to live with each other....and nobody knows the right way to do it, it can only be achieved through every member of the community... and that is something i very much beleive, and i hope you would too...

 

really no secret,,its common knowledge,

go act like a normal human and work your ass off,scrimp,save, sacrifice for it..

i aint paid my taxes for 25 years so some kid who lives at home with mommy an daddy can have the government give him a free ride.(not that youll be able to get a grant without having people with college degrees in agriculture studies no way.). its no different than someone being able bodied and on welfare.. its disgusting and down right irritating to me.

that is the entitlement mentality i was talking about. your not even willing to earn the land but yet you demand equal respect.. really is fucking pathetic in my opinion..

now, unless you are looking to inquire about our offer here, any further post will be just as off topic as your last. therefore being that off topic posts are against forum guidelines coupled with the fact that if i wished to debate the philosophical aspects of communal living i would have started a thread on the subject,i am going to ask you to please not reply with anything that isnt relevant to the topic of the thread..

thank you and have a nice day..

 

HBH with your attitude you are never going to get people to stay..

The thing that bothers me the most with your deal you are try to promote is what does your worker get out of it?

You are going to have people work 40 hours a week for? Room and board?

I think when your workers sit down and do the math they are going to figure out they are making a lot less then minimum wage.

Great deal, come live under a repressive asshole to make 3 or 4 times less then minimum wage.

Oh but they get to survive when the sky falls in 2012? Sure dude..

You make American capitalist living seem like a utopian dream.

You keep going about how hard you work for your land that’s nice but what is your point? you think people should be your slave now.
99% percent of America works that hard to pay for their living arrangements what makes you so special.
You have a farm? Big deal

 

i see no reason to disclose what we offer,nor what we require being that it has been already established that you nor IM have any intention of coming here.

if and when someone legitimately wants to inquire about coming here we will discuss the details in confidentiality.

so feel free to speculate and make all the assumptions you want,just not in this thread. the rest of your post is off topic and bordering on flaming once again so as drumminmamma has already said

as she is a moderator,i believe i would heed her advice..


i have spent enough time playing yalls little games.

have a nice day...

 

Too bad this thread degenerated into what it has. I, for one, are very interested in your ideas to make something like this happen. The strength of numbers in a SHTF situation could be the deciding factor for survival.

 

for anyone that may be interested in coming,, here are a shit pot load of pictures of the place,actually theres a lot of pictures from all around this area but the majority are from here..

http://www.kodakgallery.com/feelfreefarmproject

as you will see we aint rich,we live simply and we work and play hard..

please note, these photos were not put in this thread to be discussed or critiqued,they were put here solely for the purpose of giving someone possibly interested a idea of what gos on here..
so please refrain from doing so.

once again,if anyone is legitimately interested let us know and we will make arrangements to discuss details in confidentiality..

thank you.

 

oh i agree,there have been so many unfounded accusations made against us it has probably killed the thread. although as we stated its kinda what we expected. however we have both had just about enough so i think from this point on it should just sit dormant rather than attempt any further discussion..

anyway,the basic information is here,(albeit ya gotta read through all the slander) if anyones interested i feel it best at this point to discuss details in private.. an thats the way ill leave it...

seems best to me anyway...

 

hey HHB i never meant to flame you, or ruin you thread....i only wanted to have a discussion about your plans for a new community, and let you know about my plansand just toss around some ideas about how im doing mine.... but i guess your not the kind of person that can talk about things like that, so i wont bother you any more, you can disregard this reply... good luck

 

I won’t post in your thread anymore HBH, I wasn’t trying to “trash it out’.
I just thought you might like some discussion on the subject of intentional living structures.
Peace have fun
if it’s not fun it’s not worth doing.

 

HHB and Dili, I know I haven't had many conversations with you all on here; but from reading your post I respect the both of you and what you are doing. You know a whole hell of a lot about this than I do. I too, believe that the shit is a few years if not closer to hitting the fan. I am interested in what you all are trying to do. Yeah, I still live with mommy and daddy, but I know what its like to have to bust your ass for little pay and have to make ends meet. If you would be interested in speaking with me further I would love a PM to discuss further.

 

if it was feasible for me, i would offer my labour.
you have a nice piece of land and i know a bit about animal care and have worked in similar situations.
i have no idea where i will be when the SHTF, and in classic teenager fashion, i try not to think about it lol.
since i dont have a hope of owning anything, i see myself working hard on someones farm or working hard guerilla gardening and squatting.

have you looked into WWOOF? www.wwoof.org

 

we thought we must clarify one thing in this whole thread .. We are not singling out young folks in all this.. You are the future! We have nothing against people still living at home ,, the issue we have is with the young kids who still live at home , have no experience whatsoever and yet have read 5 books on a subject n think they know it all. Reading and ideas and thoughts are nothing like reality is and that is where we have the issue with folks,,, n no it isnt just the young folks...

 

Well now....that the shooting has died down , I poke my head up to say...Iffn y'all read threads here you know that dili and hhb have never been into community....y'see community never offers security and he's worked to bloody hard to be voted offa the land he's worked so hard to get. And don't think it hasn't happened....you'll find few who own a good chunk of land willing to hand it over to community for that very reason.

They Have long included others in their willingness to share the fruits of their labors, with those who are also willing to labor....But y'see the sad but true fact is that most get lost in the talk and never walk it.
Again if you read the threads here you'll find that for the last 7 yrs. I've been going on about that very fact, for the last 6 yrs. as moderator here in communal living...so I read every bloody post..... and so I do have a clue as to what I speak of.

hhb and dili have been here near as long and the trend as to the talkers being waaay more than the very few walkers of what they talk is more than obvious....so when an old timer talks about those not willing to work....maybe they have cause for it....and hhb and dili do...again for those who follow up and read their posts (and you Can take the time to do that Before you reply) they have been very up front with their own attempts and disappointing results with others.

Just a leg up on understanding hhb's frustration...and by golly though he may be an old time rainbower, y best not forget that they still feud in them their hills; so iffn y shoot, expect to be shot back at. And in your case ol billie boy I still think y get a kick outa stirring the pot.

loving you both and all

Blessings

Namaste

 

LUVVVVVVVVVVVVVV u old wolf

yes now that perhaps this thread has chilled off a bit. Oddly enough once again look at the differences in how this thread was taken between the 30 on up (for the most part ) and 30 n below ages(for the most part).. I know us older folks seem like a big giant group of assholes in the eyes of many of our youth.... but i must point out,,, none of us are here n contributing to these forums simply to be pricksand agitate you.. We are here to help educate and inform and when doing such things the truth is always best, harsh as it may be.(i never ever thought i would say this part) we are elders and part of that is teaching the youth, the future so that we can carry on down the road,,, why do you feel we would bullshit you in any shape or fashion,,, we r not the sheeple n we r not the shepherd our purpose is to not lead a flock into the slaughterhouse. We walk our own path and it is not for all however our paths have been much longer than yours and we dont sit where we sit saying what we say from reading but from walking...

now, i can post a bit more of where we intended this thread to go and perhaps discuss...
We have three housing units on our land and not many acres (15) but enough that it could support another small family or two fairly easily and with few alterations and not much investment on someones part. We have many preparations done and all but at the same time there is alot we dont have or know that we would like to .We also think that it would be beneficial to just have a small core cluster of folks in the same small area enhancing our abilities to survive in a survival or emergency type situation.
We have been pondering where to post or invite folks to join us in this but have no clue how to really go about it and find the "right fitting" folks.
"Communal" type living is not new to us , we have opened our doors for the last 15 years or so for those in need of a place, internship type things and travelers of all sorts and types.At this point in time we believe that it would be more beneficial to searchout for others that may want to be prepared(or are prepared ) but want to have a safe place to live but have no land or safe haven to do so.
We dont have minions of relatives or friends that would be in need and quite frankly we have been the crazy hillbilly hippie freaks of both sides of the family so long that it would require a whole lot of convincing if they were to come a knocking. We have a few neighbours that we would consider to be good to have a round in any sort of scenario but at the same time they all have there own plans in place, therefore leading us to feel that perhaps finding a couple other folks to join us here on the land isnt such a bad idea.

Our biggest issues at this point are figuring out how we can do this all fairly for anyone that would be interested. We are not interested in parting off the land we have by the five acre clump but we also realize that people often dont want to invest in something that they do not own. We have pondered the "here is what we have,,, do what you need to do to it to make it yours" and live rent free types of ideas,,, or we fix or make changes and you pay x amount per month..Our biggest issues of both the other homes here is that they are dry, no water no sewer etc.... The main shack has all n in the past that is how we have done things but it was more of a hostel/camping type thing than what we are planning for now... There are outdoor facilities on the property so to us and some others this is not an issue and in the case of emergency,, this is moot even for the main shack. There are also two outdoor kitchens on the property as well as the indoor one at the main place.
We dont want it to seem like a commune for folks but more of a tribal association or small community living. Depending on the situation at any given time as well as the people that would hypothetically come, we can alter that to fit all our needs in some shape n fashion.

Another issue we are dealing with is how money etc, would be set up... Some of us work some of us dont.All bills etc are in our names and would continue to be so working these things out would be something to discuss heavily with anyone looking for what we could offer them ... Working out emergency supplies etc is also something that woud be discussed in depth. We have a good bit but are always adding to it , would there be a x amount donated from all each week to this type fund,,, how would new structures preps be paid for etc.... Eventually would we be willing to split off a piece of the land for someone if it worked well?There are so many variables to take into account in the end.

now since i am copying this here ,,, this has been added to the topic from another location that we r discussing much the same....

yes we have allowed folks to bring small rvs on up here. Biggest issue is the lay out of the land . Anything brought in has to at the very least be 4x4 and small .. anything large has to be brought in by tow truck or best option is a bull dozer... there is very little flat land to place anything more than the structures we have already. We have thought of building another small cabin or two here on the property, however with zoning laws and permits n such at this point we have not found it a viable option . Also getting power or water n facilities to any other location on the property would be an expensive venture to say the least . That is not to say we would not be open to that with the right folks though...
As i said above, we do have three structures already on the land. We have a log cabin and a 35 foot fifth wheel as well as the main shack. The cabin has its own outdoor kitchen and outhouse facilities. The trailer is suitable other than lack of a functioning sewer line. We had a water line break on it n i aint smart enough to figger it out properly . We would like to take out the propane heat and perhaps put a wood burning stove or something more efficient. Other than that it is fully self contained... A pole type structure over the top of it would really be ideal as well for shade purpose as well as protecting the roof . Other than those few minor things all is well n functioning.

thankfully we have survivalist neighbours in front of us. In a worst case scenario without others here with us they have the front lines of the property covered. Back lines border national forest for the next 90 odd thousand acres and it isnt something we cant do on our own if needed,,, just figured perhaps there are some out there that need a haven to head to in any scenario.
Finding those of somewhat like mind however is not the easiest of ventures, knowing how one will react in a situation or any situation until it happens is hard.Trusting others and them trusting us is not the easiest and often times. Through the years we have gotten the i am a survivalist an outdoorsman etc only to bring them in and a few weeks down the road they have done nothing more than read 5 books on the subject, hate gardening , are scared of animals and have no desire to be preemptive but rather sit around n talk about the what ifs and invite all there friends over for a big ol party every weekend while getting nothing accomplished..

 

hey hhb dilli !just wanna say its good your thinking of outhers! id be intrested but i got my own little thing going here, good neibors to so when the shtf. i expect weell all pull together! id still like to come visit sometime! have you heard from sweetpea hows her baby! doing great i hope! peace!

 

Hey HHB & Dilli,

Popped in to hipforums for the first time in a while and like you said, scrimping and saving for years to buy that chunk of land is a sacrifice. A lot of folks young and old have never had to work hard for what they have and don't/can't understand where you're coming from.

I've been busting my but trying to get the cash to finally be in an ok situation to have my house paid off and enough left over for an acreage. May still be a while though, as having more people help out would make things easier it still takes a lot of time to find those right people. Most, as you have already pointed out think it's a cakewalk and don't expect to have to work to survive. So much disconnect between man and nature, it's sad really.

And as for TSHF, I hope it comes sooner rather than later, weed out a lot of people that know "everything"...

Wish you were geographically closer,

Health and Happiness.

 

As reading this thread, I found we have a lot of common goals. minus all of the negative postings! though i am still young i have saved up everything i had for an old farm house and land of 64 acres. I too feel that something is going on in this world and that becoming self efficient is the best way to go. We need to get back in touch with Nature and feel her words though the winds. My partner and I have started our organic gardening and we raise chickens and pigs and We sell our extra produce. Though i think we are not going to raise pigs this year. We also want to house like minded people that care about our earth to join in and help us become self-sufficient. Our house would be their house, or whatever arrangments they want to make. I also believe in the hard work that being self-sufficient includes, considering i was raised on a farm, but i think that the simplicity and the fun that is to be had out in the country is something like no other.
I guess to shorten this up, i think that what you guys want to do is terrific, as i would like to do the same as well. if you have any suggestions feel free.
I wish you guys all of the best
peace and love to you all

 

Hello Dancing Sun,

Can you tell me more about your ideas on this commune, as I've been searching for the right place to call home. I'm a hard worker, have lots of ideas, play some guitar, and have nature skills.
PM me about it and the location, describe the area, and ask me any questions you'd like.
Peace and love to ya,
Spirit Wynd

 

Much as I love the idea of intentional community and have personally worked with it for many years....the hard reality says that people of close like mind must be found,... a homesteading basis often preexists before community comes together.
We also hold acerage (175....with possibility of complete watershed can also be purchased...but not on a solo hook) but have found like minded hard to come by..and at present have only myself full time on the land. we do not solicite for members but do now and again let others know we are present.
Being fey and strange does not help us in finding those who would join in the effort....and may as well slow down the movement with others trying to move into conscious community.

wish all the most blessings as we learn along the journey

Namaste