Seattle cop punches 17yr old in face for jaywalking

Ok, I will accept your premise that you are being honest, thus you have no impulse control.

My agrument is as follows;

1:Anyone who believes
"Not condoning the cops actions at all"

and believes

"but lets be real here people.
I would have smacked the bitch as well."

Is either a liar or has no impulse control

2:you believe
"Not condoning the cops actions at all"

and believe

"but lets be real here people.
I would have smacked the bitch as well."

3: You are not a liar

Conclusion:
You have no impulse control.

We both agree on the third premise, so now I'll show the first two to be true by definition, thus confirming the argument as sound, I'm sure so far there are no arguments towards its validity.

If you do not condone what the police officer did, then surely the only reason you would have to hurt the lady in question, would be a lack of impulse control. So the only other option, is that you are in fact lying about condoning the police officer's actions. Therefore, you are either a stupid liar, or you have no impulse control.

To me, it was a human, hitting a human, then dry humping her, because she did not turn her head around properly, according to him, when she was crossing the road.

 

We don't know how the cop handled or purported himself. We can't hear anything he is saying, and we don't know what happened that led up to it.

Everybody wants to form these harsh criticisms of the cops actions and there simply is NOT enough information available to do that.
I agree his punch was thrown as retaliation, but a whole lot of people would have reacted the same way, including some posting their outrage at his actions.
Trust me I have no love for law enforcement, and the Sheriff department in my area is well known for over the top reactions, but just based on this video, blame could go either way, though it is more likely equally shared among combatants.
Just being honest

 

That area of the city is very congested at that time of day and there are crowds of high school kids crossing this very busy road. It is part of daily traffic control in that area. In addition to police there are flaggers present to control crosswalks, so they invest some effort in getting people to use crosswalks. I think the officer could have handled the situation much differently from the very beginning however.

That is not the reason the girl got punched. The reason she got punched is because the officer was not in control of his own emotional responses.

He appeared to me to be inept at physical control of the situation.

 

OK, you have a valid point so let me clarify.
I don't condone his reaction, but I completely understand it.

How the fuck do you know anything about what transpired or anything according to him unless you have footage of the ENTIRE incident including the jaywalking.
Based on the footage available, she could have been out there flashing her tits and throwing dog shit at cars.
You don't fucking know what really happened, just the sensational ending, so stop trying to sound as if you do.

you are reading a lot into it that is not there and creating a story in your mind that justifies your emotional response to the video that coincides with your own personal beliefs.

 

i dont think there should be laws against where you are allowed to walk...
the whole video i was hoping that someone would snatch that weak sad fucking excuse for a cops gun and put it to his head and made a citizens arrest

 

Gee, by your enraged and violent response to me suggests that you don't have much control yourself
:cheers2:

 

I think that it is plain that the punch itself was retaliatory, and not part of the effort to subdue the girl. I don't think it matters what led up to it.

 

Fuckin' Ay' I have a point.

I don't, how do you know she was? Same point applies, you just think because he is in the category of police officer, he some how must be the good guy. And by that same assumption, you think that I must assume he is a bad guy because he is in the category of police officer.

Of course, I don't have to ignore the reaction of the crowd or the title of thread for my theory, so I feel that it is the stronger.

I assure you, I am quite heartless, I don't care.

Not that ruining your argument, nor making the fallacy of the person, improves my position, i feel it necessary to point out, you are the one that suggested wanting to hit her in that situation.

Now, what do you think that might suggest about your emotional investment into this argument?

 

I know there are famous speed traps for autos--I wonder if this jay-walking business is a kind of "speed trap" for pedestrians. A handy way to make money for the city. When I lived in the U-district there,I got a jay walking ticket and was seemingly picked out of a crowd that was crossing exactly as I was. My take on cops is that I don't particularly like the type person that would be one in the first place and of the ones I've met,I didn't like them much as individuals. But--I think we all know what life would be like if there wasn't an armed force on the streets of our cities. This particular cop needs some re-training in crowd control--the situation would have been better if he would've backed off when the girls started getting upset and warned them not to jay-walk again-please. I don't think a man should punch a woman in the face unless he is in real danger. Likewise with a female cop. Maybe jay walkers are a dangerous breed in Seattle.

 

that wouldnt have been wise. While I do think onlookers could of been more helpful and less provoking with the "oh shit shit",. change tone to "sir, officer, mam, please, stop"
again officer was outnumbered and should of let his suspect go and pursued from a distance while waiting for assistance...

 

Actually, I feel it is a proportionally moral situation in terms of your beliefs. I would like to know what your thoughts were after the event.

Truely though, I hate bullies, people who, given the opportunity would abuse others and brag about, seriously, i know you have your reasons that you will claim excuse the feeling.

You dismiss my thoughts as bias, bias towards what? not liking that a woman was assaulted? is that so bad?

It seems as if your bias is towards wanting to justify seeing a woman assualted, with the flimsy argument, that because it was a police officer, he must not be in the wrong

P.S.
I said "I hope".

You said "I would".

 

Actually that is not my motivation.

That doesn't strike me as justification. Police officers have special training in "keeping the peace", losing control is not an option.

I have no special feelings for that occupation at all. However I do think that the nature of the occupation leads to some twisted regard of fellow man. That is to say, that dealing with the disruptive on a constant basis can sour your attitude.

Wouldn't expect anything less.

 

YOU SO FUNNY :smilielol5:

Really I am just going by what is in the video, thats all.
Not making any type of value judgements regarding the "goodness" or "badness" of any of the people involved. Just going by what the video shows.
How do we know that she didn't already slap the cop a dozen times prior to what was filmed? We don't.
Hey for all we know he could have grabbed her and said" Where ya goin nigga bitch! You need to use the crosswalk!" and then sodomized her with his baton.
Point is WE, those viewing this video, DO NOT have enough information to make all the judgements that are being made about it.
What part of that are you having a problem understanding????

 

Really now, where in the hell are getting all this based upon what I posted?????

 

the words you use;

God, people are so fucking stupid.

 

The part where we have to assume the guy doing all the punching and dry humping is the good guy.

Again, neither of us know the entire case, but based on the evidence, my argument is obviously a simpler, thus superior version.

 

Oh xac, I don't like bullies either. why don't you pick on somebody your own size? I'm yo huckleberry!

 

I didn't intend it as a justification, just an observation regarding human nature. Losing control may not be an option, but they are only humans just like you and I, assuming you are human, thedope, at times I wonder.

That I agree with completely and have seen it in action.
How many of us given the same occupation would be able to stave off such an attitude change? Police do have to deal with some very nasty shit and people everyday.
My stepson wanted to become a police officer and I knew his temperment would not fit with that occupation, he is a big softy at heart. So I made him look at some perverse sick website that I hope is gone now that showed a lot of pictures of dead babys and children that had been murdered. After seeing some of the pics I asked if he was ready to go to a call and see something like that. He started crying when the reality of it sunk in and changed his career goals.
I could not cope with that type of shit daily and remain a happy camper at all.

You know me, I like to stick to the facts that are available.
Just the facts please.

 

Great, now i have to send a bunch of people, nonsensical positive reps so i can neg rep you again

 

YOU SO FUNNY :smilielol5: