whats your point? what are you bringing to the table here? small countries dont have any rights. i mean britain is tiny but we still saved france in two world wars or would you rather the place was still full of nazi's i mean we gave you your freedom back but we dont deserve it because were small? is that your point?
so that you have a real choice, instead of bying a pig in a poke, which is what elections in any sort of large soverignty's ammount to. =^^= .../\...
Nah that wasnt my point at all And whats the war got to do with anything or having rights? What do you mean "we" gave "you your" freedom back? I wasnt born. You probably werent either. But if you feel you and all other people who were born in or live in Scotland are part of the same club, which is a different club to the rest of Britain, then other British people went to war too! So whats your point with that? Anyway back on topic, my point was Britains a tiny island and isnt diving it up a bit...well...silly? I see this bit of land as just one little morcel, i cant even imagine the pickle my brain would get into if it was little teeny independent bits That was all
But this is Britain. Everything ALREADY seems to be in miniature here, peoples minds are becoming pretty closed off and isolated as it is. I see your point...but the OP does appear to be getting flared up over very little...More choice may possibly maybe be gained, but at the cost of yet another divide, which i dont think this island needs
Ooh i see, youre saying because my father was born in France were somehow in different clubs and your club saved my clubs ass back in the war? Ooh, i get it. Well that depends on which half of my gene pool youre looking at. See my mother was born in England, and i was born in Wales. So hell, which club do i fit in? Or is this all a load of nonsense and is the war infact irrelevant?
Having thought further, i take back what i said. Its not such a small issue, especially where getting your voice heard about things like the war come in...Its just my mind cant shake the little weeny division factor...the fact that i feel we have too much "us and them" feeling in this place already...and the fact it could cause complications between the two countries But you have a point with the freedom thing. It was just the way you made it seem kind of...patriotic, i guess, and dramatic. Patriotisms too alien for an oddball like me. But hey, i take back that its a small issue, because its not I guess the way the entire world works is still a little strange to me, and it takes some reminding that actually we are not capable of uniting as a species and letting everyone be heard and making moral decisions best for everyone as bigger groups of people I apologises
I think the point is that Scotland has been badly used for the benefit of others, taxes have been mentioned the Scottish people them selves are used as cannon fodder they receive scant appreciation for their contribution Scotland receives very little from england in exchange for what is taken from them under the guise of legal governance when they have little more than a token input to the decisions that impact on them. Also just because separating from England would make the 'whole' smaller is not a reason to continue the tyranny of control. What do you see as the benefit of greater volume of land to the people who do not benefit from the inclusion?
I care not ... though if we give them back independance... we could deport brown and send them all the scots prisoners in our jails.. that would be handy.
yes it would as we could get about 4% of the prison population, we could then deprot 46% of our brown could go to hell, we would get our oil back and laugh as your economy collapses
The oil? I wouldn't be building yer hopes up for that... if i remember right the SNP couldn't even argue fair fishing rights for the Scots people at the EU .... the idea of them arguing the rights for a multi billion £ oil industry... well, it's just not gonna happen is it? This is the 21st century... i'm afraid it takes more than a bit of flag waving a bit of national pride to secure natural resources these days... even if they are a stones throw from the coast And let's be honest... the only chance Scotland has of independance is through the political quagmire... and flag waving and "national pride" appear to be the only cards your politicians seem prepared to play (or maybe it's all they have) ... hence, any referrendum success they hope for falls swiftly on it's arse. BTW, i have nothing against Scotland gaining it's indepedence... it'll just never happen until it produces enough people with enough brains to provide faith from the great unwashed that they can actually run a country.
well it helps if the SNP were responsible for the debate on the common fisharies policy, they had no input they were not at the table so thats one of your points down. securing oil deposits quite easy to transfer from one country to another. and petty insults about the great unwashed dont really help further things and im glad you responded to the point about prison figures now you know what the levels actually are
haha! oh gods... so eager to fight! The SNP were much more than responsible for contributing to the troubles in the fishing industry in scotland... actually, irresponsible is probably more accutrate... check out the July 23rd edition of the Scotsman newspaper... they insisted on trying to politically manipulate the fisheries discussion.. to the point where the EU simply dismissed them. That's your LOCAL politicians failing abysmally... gods help y'all if they ever become national. Yes, oil deposits are "quite easy" to transfer from one country to another... it's beautifully demonstrated in the middle east and venezuala every day. Great Unwashed is a colloquilism, tho' admittedly not a polite one, i believe it was first used in popular culture in pre-revolutionary France.. don't take offence, it wasn't intended to be country-specific (although it may be appropriate for Glasgow, last i heard "soapdodgers" was still a popular insult there). I didn't see the point of responding to the prisoner issue because i fail to see the relevance of the percentages.. unless you are trying to say that scots people are, overall, more law abiding than the average UK'er ..... still, four percent is a huge amount of people.... hope you make provisions for them when the British govt sells off it's prisons on scottish soil, before being evicted.... maybe we can arrange some kind of lease-to-buy deal for ya (and interesting about you saying that the majority of british fighting soldiers are scots, have you seen the percentages of ex-military men and women in custody lately?) Like I said, become independant... but for gods sake find people with at least a half-decent plan for doing so before ya do
i also support irish independance lode, and OZ! yeah if things went down the toilet if we had independance at least it would be a mess of our own doing and a mess forced on us as it is now
