Schizophrenia

I haven't read the book either.

The mind is naturally abstract. It is not that we create reality but that we make things up and then behave as though those things are real. Our whole relationship with reality is choreographed through the mind and that is the relevance of the term consciousness creates reality. The liberating fact of this phenomena is that you can do it differently or you can change your mind, change the way the world appears to you and therefor your reasonable responses to it.

 

I see a problem with that kind of view.
For one thing, do we see the world or only our mental picture of it?
Also, it's possible to be mistaken in your perception. I may see a rope where there's actually a snake, and vica versa. Such a mistaken perception could lead to my death from snakebite. The fact that I perceive a rope doesn't make the slightest difference to the actual reality.

 

What thedope said.

 

The reality of the confronted brain over the experience of Experiencing is helpful for reassuring the individual that people can trust you in the public eye if you believe in the society of misunderstanding each other. We don't see into each others' brains meaningfully. We may question freedom that way, and what's more we happy/unhappy being Free. That is an order by our parents.

Next, we can take on the system for nothing; or we can brag how good the education is for excuses that we are conditioned for the progress.

 

It is one and the same. What you perceive IS.

Mistaken only in someone else's perception. If you say my perception is wrong, you say it only in accordance with your perception.

Who says it wasn't the rope that bit me? Maybe you use snakes all the time to tie things together.

 

What about the reality of driving save on a highway (for example) and getting hit unexpectedly by another car you did not see at all. That is clearly reality that was outside your own perception

 

An extreme form of subjectivism there. I don't really think perception = reality.

 

Perception is learning, knowledge is being shared. What is is, what you perceive may be there or not but what you perceive always is perceived through the filter of your own associative matrix. You can learn superstition as well as substance and perceive either as substantive. Perception is the attempt to familiarize and recognition fits a pattern but the patterned discerned is equal to your own regard.

 

Uhm not only in someone elses perception. What about measurements? You hold no trust in them at all then? Or better said maybe: you don't regard those as real or part of reality? The insight in reality that a lot of trusty measurements give are clearly not perceived directly by our own senses.

 

Wrong example. It's not that I thought it was a cloud of gas and drove right through it .... I just did not see the car. [sharedmedia=gallery:images:70378]

 

But it was there, a part of reality, without you perceiving it. So reality is not merely what you perceive.

 

Not in your perception clearly. But that's why everybody's entitled to their own.

Incidentally perceptions are commonly shared (or agreed on). Those are the ones you would call facts.

 

Why was the example wrong btw? I think it explained exactly what I wanted to point out. Reality does not stop where your perception does.

 

Yes it is (for me). If I do not see or hear the other car I have no knowledge of it even existing, which means as far as I am concerned it DOES not exist.

Once it hits me I will clearly perceive it.

Alas, too late. [sharedmedia=gallery:images:70378]

 

So then if 100 people see a rope and I see a snake my perception is as real as their's? Even though I might start to act with an irrational fear because of my mis-perception?

 

Measurements are constructed and agreed upon. I could certainly establish my own measurements and disprove yours.

How long exactly is a foot? Your foot or my foot?

Did you see absolute zero? No?

 

So you choose to perceive it like that. But you know that it is otherwise. As far as you are concerned makes evidently a very subjective perception OF reality, but it will always be just a small part of reality as a whole.

 

It is for YOU. This is not about agreeing on something to establish common ground. It's not a democracy.

 

I feel you are playing devil's advocate, but not very well. The foot measurement is not replaced almost globablly for nothing. What about a meter and a measuring stick? Why are measurements agreed upon? I'll answer it for you: because it evidently expands our perception on reality in a reliable way. The less reliable, the less people agree upon it.

 

In this case (because I actually can't hear or see the car) I wouldn't say choose. In other cases that may be so.

Reality as a whole is made up of many different realities. Yours, mine and a couple other billion people. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they collide.

And sometimes we don't even perceive the others.