Schizophrenia

I agree with everything you said. I am attempting to hint this to a friend of mine who has it light/moderate, but its not working. there is a bootstrap problem; when i speak to him, i speak to his ego. how do i go around his ego to tell him / show him how to drop the ego? everytime i try i see it causes confusion, he is not sure which entity i am refering to, and probably thinks im talking about something much bigger or much smaller than what i'm really talking about. then of course he feels i am pushy or preachy even though this is all done tiptoeing around. its annoying, im starting to think his pre-formatted ideas of everything, specifically my role in his life, is an impassable barrier to me getting him to pry his face off the dashboard of his persona.

 

I have it. i've said this many times on these forums to those interested. I believe as a result of genetic predisposition and a little too much of wanting to explore the psychedelic side of reality.

To people who say it doesn't exist: fuck you.

it is very much like losing all sense of anything but wallowing in your ego. Perhaps a subconcious and uncontrollable need for attention that your mind creates all these fantasies that it starts to believe. I snap out of the delusions eventually, and up until recently had auditory hallucinations 24/7. now I only have them when in severe stress.

I do not take medications but I have been force-fed them and turned into a zombie. meditation is the only medication. this is one of those things that while LSD may help any other person, will only make schizos worse. (still I enjoy LSD when my mind is nice and clear)

 

this is the touchiness and vitriol with which all dialogue has been sprinkled in my experience. how can i get around this, i cannot, it is they who must strop constructing it as a barrier for me to get around!

that's a self-created load off my non-existent chest

 

Ok my Grandad was schizophrenic so I can tell you what I know about him. He had paranoid delusions, for example he listened to snow white in Russian and thought he was deciphering hidden messages from the soviets. He was forced to take a lot of bad medication which is now illegal and forced to stay in mental hospitals for periods. He was very intelligent, with a top degree from Cambridge.

I have had conversations about schizophrenia with a friend studying psychology and he told me some interesting facts. There are 2 categories - positive and negative schizophrenia. Positive involves extra things a "normal" person doesn't have eg delusions, voices. Negative lacks things, with some people being catatonic. There is a correlation between intelligence and schizophrenia, as was the case with my Grandad.

 

well i guess they dont according to mr. writer but yeah i see what you mean now. maybe you should be checked out if you feel its a problem?

 

I dont feel its a problem, i just felt my side affects to amount of drugs i had last year resemebled it.

Wouldnt it have been considered a problem if i never ever noticed my side effects?

 

Of course, the ego is the source of "mental illness" for virtually everyone, "normal" people and schizophrenics all fit under this very, very broad category. But there is definitely a dividing line between a "normal" person, and a schizophrenic, and that line is what psychiatry attempts to address. As for what that dividing line is, or means, I don't know. But if you can't function in society, as a result of the mental illnesses attaching to your ego is causing you, then you are worse off than someone with the same fundamental problems but can function in society all the same. Psychiatry obviously isn't equipped to deal with the main, FUNDAMENTAL problem of the human condition, but then again, no institution really is.
It's kind of like that old adage - "You can't save someone from drowning if you yourself can't swim."

 

No, Josh, there is no dividing line. To put it bluntly, you've bought into some delusional beliefs about what it means to embody a particular state of consciousness, that of "schizophrenia". There is a whole spectrum of different permutations and gradations of reality distortion. If you're trying to say that psychiatry addresses highly debilitated individuals, then I would agree, but for the most part even that pursuit isn't implemented with any real or consistent effectiveness -- not to mention the fact that there are a plethora of ulterior motives that accompany it. In short, the system is in a deeply dysfunctional and broken state.

Yes, which is exactly why the psychiatric industry is in desperate need of a revitalized and expanded outlook and approach. In these turbulent and transformative times, settling for the outmoded, fear-based paradigm of perceiving schizophrenics and other sufferers of mental illness as fundamentally separate from us just isn't going to cut it.

Travis

 

To put it bluntly, I used to be of the mindset that you will see expressed in this forum frequently - that schizophrenia is some sort of mystic, shaman-like state that isn't being fully expressed or fully embraced.
I've since learned that explanation is extremely lazy and has no thought put into it whatsoever.
I think Mr. Writer said it best once - virtually everyone is suffering from some sort of mental illness, but some obviously more so than others. If we were to make a graphical representation of this collective mental suffering, it would look like a huge spectrum - with a large majority of people that are perceived as "normal" congregated around a common level, a very small minority of people around the "no level", and then the people who are formally recognized as being "crazy", they would be way off in left field somewhere.
So I completely understand the whole "everyone is suffering from mental illness" thing. Psychiatry is just attempting to address what it can recognize though, and these people are in all likelihood more in need of help than the vast majority of people.
We are probably in agreement more so than I would like to acknowledge.

Oh, I agree.
As for how that would come about though, is beyond me.

 

have you tryed dropping your ego before talking to him? thats the only way i would know how to circumvent another persons ego.

 

yes i try though speaking with him is the hardest place to do it, he just knows how to sink hooks into your pettiness and keep it right up against the conversation. and every time i just go for broke and just spill out exactly what im getting at, i just get this blank stare. personally i think its hopeless.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEglHjd_gUQ

I figured id post this since it was a schizo thread lol

 

hahah pretty cool..

 

He has some awesome thoughts lol, i enjoyed his thought on why does his pinky fit into his nostril.

 

no doubt!! im gonna listen to this next time im tripping face. im listening to it for the second time as i type.. makes you think!!

 

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Mr.Writer dies.
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