Sacred Blood

And for the person who said they were with someone who didn't feel right until she saw a doc to have a period good for her! Because seriously if you need something for yourself and you can identify it in order to get yourself to a point where you feel more whole I think thats great. Obviously it's a large part of being a woman and we try to get over it and get through it so fast so it will go away instead of reflecting on it as its happening. LIke someone else said as a death of a life or whatever else ou could reflect one it to mean...the fact that our bodies can hold and grow a baby in the space of this blood and push it out these teeny tiney holes is just amazing to me. Its like the most amazing thing to have a human growing inside you...and you know that is because you are mature enough to menstrate and all that...very sacred

 

If you are referring to me, as one of the "you two"... No, I do not have a grudge against heterosexuality. I am hetero, thank you very much. I love men as my partners.

BUT... I do have a problem with homophobics and with people who try to preach the whole "God made Adam and Eve and that's the way it's supposed to be." Some of my best friends have been homosexuals and it really makes me angry when people try to discredit them for that. And yes, it makes me get defensive. And I will not apologize for that.

And it really pisses me off when men try to shove patriarchy into Goddess religions. And it really pisses me off when men get all whiney, because women are worshipping female. We've worshipped Jesus Christ for 2000 years. I think he can step aside and give Mary her due, once in a while.

This is a public forum. You are more than welcome to post here. No one, that I've seen, has asked you to leave. However, if you don't want to be challenged, then stop whining. Accept the fact that some of the women in this thread choose to honor themselves as sacred Female. If you are incapable of tolerating that, then feel free to unsubscribe from this thread. You don't HAVE to come here. You don't HAVE to post here. You CHOOSE to do that.

 

Damn, Autumn, you good, girl!

In "those days" not only were womyn supposed to never complain, they were not allowed to discuss "the Curse" even with other womyn. If they had PMS or menopause, they simply kept it to themselves. Many womyn were diagnosed "hysterics" because they has some seriously strong emotions during their premenstrual and menopausal times. Belveive me, there was PMS and menopause. Womyn are just freeer , in our society, to discuss it now.

 

This started as a very positive thread. I don't appreciate the misogynist slant to something some of the womyn on this site want to see as a positive thing.

And, please, calling womyn lesbians because you don't agree with them is WAY immature. Most womyn here, although hetero, do NOT see lesbianism or homosexuality as an insult. We aren't in third grade.

Let's get back to the positive supportive thread this was, people.

 

I wasn't accusing you gals of it, just saying it in a general way. And of course I have no problem with a woman celebrating her womanhood. We men celebrate our sexuality as well, in our own, crude way, haha.

 

Nothing wrong with that. That would make an interesting thread. Are you talking Drumming in the woods type male celebration, or drinking and fishing type? My dh tends to be the drinking and fishing male celebrant type.

 

Can I add something else? Someone on the other page said their Grandma doesn't remember PMS... well aside from the "womyn weren't allowed to complain" that was duly noted by a fellow poster, I'd like to add that our environments change too. My generation of womyn didn't tend to begin menstruation until about 12 or 13. The guide unit I used to volunteer with (9-11) had about 50% of girls already menstruating. The additional hormones they're putting in the genetically modified foods play a HUGE role in what goes on in our bodies. So perhaps this is part of it too?

But I definitely agree with the whole idea that womyn were not supposed to complain. It's like my dad was saying a while ago, about "how come more womyn today have endo than in our generation?" (i have endo, he has trouble grasping the concept sometimes) and I had to point out that it isn't so much that more womyn have it, it's that womyn are no longer taking "being a womyn is supposed to hurt" for an answer!

 

Good point supergrrl! WOmyn do menstruate for MORE of their lives than they used to, and add that with less pregnancies and shorter breastfeeding rates, womyn have MORE lifetime menstrual periods than womyn did before.

My mom had undiagnosed endo for like, 20 years, it made her sterile, and the doctors kept telling her the pain was "all in her head." Womyn had endo long ago, it was just not recognized. More womyn DO have endo now, as many delay childbirth. But I had my first in my early 20s and still got it.

 

Thanks, Maggie.

And I agree, this thread has degraded into men vs. women and that's not what it's about. Can we please get it back to the positivity!

 

I wonder if all the chemicals, preservatives, and additives that are throughout every cell in our bodies nowadays has increased it? Have no idea, just throwing that out there. I once read that we eat 10 pounds of preservative chemicals a year. Also, there is nowhere on earth that womens breast milk does not contain PCB's, this was discovered when scientists tried to find a group to compare urban women with fairly high levels of them to. Even women in the high arctic had PCB's in their milk.

 

Have you heard the theory that Jesus' most beloved disciple, John, whose gospel is notably different from the other three, was actually female. I tend to believe this. Also, I believe Mary Magdalene and Jesus were married, and that there are at least five hints of this in the Bible.

 

I should apologize. Just cuz my grandma says she never noticed it back in the day is not in any way evidence it did not exist. I am sorry I inferred that. My family on my mom's side are classic do not complain women, and raised me the same way. I have seen a doctor twice in 21 years. My mom's hip was gone, completely gone, before she had it checked out for cancer, and when I broke my arm at eleven, no one in my family believed me till they saw the x ray.
If a bully at school was terrorizing us, my mom would say, you have to fight your own battles.
In some ways this strengthened me, but it also took years for me to learn to love myself, and feel true intimacy with a partner. We were raised with the idea that expressions of love were never to be seen in public, and in private, only very rarely.
Rambling, sorry, my point....grandma wouldnt say she had pain unless it was extreme, which is what she has now at the age of 83, with arthritis, and a host of other painful conditions, but she keeps on going, and still lives on her own.

 

The Mother Goddess archetype is, to me, far more suitable as a spiritual entity for the purpose of living in peace and harmony with each other and nature, than the Warrior God one. I feel we can never do without either, just that the nurturing, compassionate, compromising, healing, loving nature of Motherhood is, to me, far more critical than the competitive, dominating, single minded, conquering, aggressive Male model.

 

Live and let live, what business is it of any one elses whether someone has a hetero or homosexual life partner. The main thing is that they love each other. Period.

 

man this thread is ruthless!! hahaha

 

Ruthless?

 

He means well....


Hehe. Really though yu get talkin bout periods and gals get goin .....

 

LOL womyn do get carried away I guess, but it's something so deeply personal that it makes sense to get carried away about it. (doesn't it? lol i think so at least)

 

Totally, I'm sure. And we consume more caffeine, which contributes (greatly) to menstrual pain. We eat way more processed food now, than my parents did. Way more sugar, which I'm certain doesn't help. We get less exercise and have more stress. I'm sure that it is all relevant.

Plus, we are more outspoken these days, about our pain. As you know, back in the day, people didn't complain. That's why people died at a younger age, they wouldn't see the dr. until they were already on their way out. Personally, I'm glad that we've moved beyond that. I'm glad that we are keeping ourselves healthier.

 

I agree. Personally, I worship both Male and Female (two separate, distinct entities of God and Goddess). However, there are some circles that I sit in that are strictly Feminine. Some women (and men) feel very slighted by patriarchy and for them to trust in a Higher Power, it has had to be only Female. And many men are uncomfortable recognizing the Great Feminine within themselves and as such, are incapable of worshipping the Divine Female.

I do think that there is a place and time for both Mother and Father, respectively. I like the balance of it. And for me, there are a few times when I only worship Goddess, my Moontime, being one of them. And I think that when women can embrace their menstrual blood, rather than being humiliated about it, it is very empowering and healthy. And my feeling is that when men can also embrace the Divine Feminine, it is truly a wonderful combination.