rumsfeld's freudian slip

So by giving everyone access to all data.. this will achieve what ?? well hell ! now we know !! lets go home and have tea ? safe in the knowledge the next administration will be different ?

Which lie are you talking about ? Oh ! the one you think occurred but can't actually prove, and nobody else seems to agree with ? that one ?

Which black boxes are you talking about ? Oh ! the ones that were destroyed in the massive explosions ...
As for the Watergate !!! A president can't get away with that !, yet you think a president can pull this off ? Where the hell's your reasoning for that ?

I am not American !! I have spent my adult life in some of the worlds most dangerous countries, including Iran,Iraq,On the borders of Israel and on the borders of Korea ! I've seen the mess that you so deeply wish on your own country by your uninformed remarks ... As much as you obviously hate your own country , it is sadly because you know no other way , Well ! when you get what you wish for,only then will you understand the enormity of your mistake ....

 

I hate rumsfeld...with a passion!...but it doesn't sound as sinister as y'all are making it out to be.

has a clip of the slip (the actual slip is at the end almost)

 

What "massive explosion" accompanied the crash of flight 93? As far as the impact goes, it was a quite ordinary plane crash, no? Wherther it was shot down or whether the passengers crashed it, it plowed into an empty field in Pennsylvania. "Black boxes" are regularly recovered from the depths of the ocean, the sides of remote mountains, and even when scattered across the entire southwestern US when space shuttles burn up on re-entry. But neither the CVR or FDR from this particular flight can be found when the debris is contained in a known, relatively small, well accessible area? Something seems fishy, no?

The flights that hit the WTC towers are another interesting case. The black boxes, which are encased in blast-resistant, fire-resistant, impact-resistant, titanium housings INTENDED TO SURVIVE A PLANE CRASH EVEN WHEN NOTHING ELSE DOES are nowhere to be found, yet the government magically finds a paper passport and other documents supposedly carried by one of the hijackers just lying in the rubble? Riiight....

The black boxes are housed in the tail of the plane, where they will sustain the least damage in most kinds of crashes, particularly a head-on crash into a building. The rubble of those buildings was sifted through for months, in an effort to find the tiniest bits of human remains, but NOT ONE PIECE of any of the 4 separate black boxes were ever found? Even a couple of smashed bits? Give me a fucking break....

All in all, 4 planes, with 8 separate "black boxes", all crashed in the space of an hour or 2, and NONE of the boxes were ever recovered? When they are nearly ALWAYS recovered any other time a plane goes down?

It is obvious that the government, for whatever reason, does NOT want the contents of those recorders to be known. The only other reasonable explanation would be that the recorders were removed from the 4 planes prior to takeoff, also indicating a wider conspiracy than the "official story" wants to admit. After all, why would "Arab terrorists" care if the black boxes would be found, and how would they be able to remove them, even if they wanted to?

 

By mandating full accountability of this all too secretive administration to those who would be commissioned to undertake an unlimited investigation (say it slowly so the concept perchance might sink in past your apparent lack of comprehension), the public would obtain concrete answers to the sorts of questions we, in fact, see the head in the sanders repeatedly putting forward as an excuse for ignoring all the revelations of deceit which have already been pointed out here. Strange that you should rail against a thorough investigation. Are we to suppose you're content to simply accept the word of those who have used this event to perpetrate the most substantial centralisation of power unto themselves in US history?

Well you certainly demonstrate a penchant for being an asshole rivalled only by PB on these forums. But since it appears you havent followed, or perhaps bothered to remember, events of the past four years, let us look at the sorts of lies that have been exposed.

1. Lies about the threat posed by Iraq
2. Lies about the use of torture by US forces
3. Lies about knowledge and authorisation of said use of torture
4. Lies about the outing of a US CIA operative (which is in fact an act of treason by this administration)
(just to name a few)

The black boxes were not destroyed. They were found and confiscated by FEMA along with other salient data relevant to that day including video footage from the CCTV cameras of businesses surrounding the Pentagon. Again clearly you either have failed to do much research or just simply wish to ignore such matters. And by the way, black boxes are not destroyed either by explosion nor impact, that is the very reason they remain standard on all aircraft.

A president cannot get away with illegal activity that is thoroughly investigated as was Watergate by Woodward and Bernstein, despite repeated threats on their life and accompanying media denigration of both men as "conspiracy theorists" right up until they exposed their findings to the public. How telling that so many wish to return to just that mindset of dismissal using the same groupthink catcalls today. Amazing how a few decades can lull the sheep back into blissful status quo sleep.

Ah yes, another of the chants one expects from those who refuse to recall history or to do the legwork into the power brokers now running the show. Anyone who dares demand full accountability from an otherwise secretive cabal must "hate one's country". Obviously your concept of patriotism, like those of the sheepish flag waving US rightwing, comprises only love of one's government, not the wellbeing of the nation itself. How pathetic for one who claims so much worldly experience.

Well, I too (as you've obviously failed to notice) have spent the past 14 years outside the US with extensive travel to much of the developing world where I've seen much of the detrimental impact of US foreign policies (both economic and military). The fact that you aren't a US citizen matters little save to further throw into doubt your ability to question those who have so richly profited from the lack of resistance to their "war which will not end in our lifetimes". If you truly believe these reactionistic claims you have made in defense of a corrupt and power hungry cabal in Washington, then I fear it is you who remains woefully uninformed, not I.

 

Pardon me for interrupting this very important meeting of the flat earth society, particularly during such an important speech by the owner of one of the largest tinfoil hats in Europe, but ask yourself which is more likely:

A) Rumsfeld misspeaking, or

B) The CIA, the NSA, Mossad, the FBI, the National Guard, the FAA, the police and fire departments, the State Department and White House, the airlines, the media, and countless ordinary witnesses keeping a conspiracy to fly two planes with black boxes removed into a WTC pre-loaded with explosives, and then (this being not good enough for the Pentagon) flying a remote controlled missile firing drone into it while secretly landing another plane at a military base and nerve gassing all the occupants before disposing of their bodies and the airplane without a trace (meanwhile faking phone calls to passenger's relatives), before proceeding to shoot down a fourth plane but covering it up to look like a crash. Then they moved in to scatter incorrect amounts of plane wreckage in the wrong condition in the wrong places.

If you answer B) you too can be a self-proclaimed patriotic hero like Lickboy, so feel free too stuff the forum with fiery denunciations of all who do not share your veiw.

 

OK, Pointbreak. Very nice examples of "Ad Hominem" and "Strawman". So how about answering the simple question:

Where the fuck are the "Black Boxes"?

This is only ONE of many glaring inconsistencies in the "official" story, that nobody in the mainstream media seems interested in investigating. While SOME of the alternative theories surrounding 9/11 may be "tin foil beanie" material, the 2 inconsistencies that seem to defy basic science are the failure to recover ANY of the 8 flight recorders from the crashed planes, or the structural failure of the towers when the fires only reached temperatures well below the softening point of steel.

Do you care to address either of these issues with actual FACTS, or will you just brush them off with your "conspiracy theory" bullshit?

 

Strawman arguments are made up. The post I made is based on actual conspiracy theories put forth by people in this forum. If they sound ridiculous, don't blame me.

Ad hominem attacks? You mean along the lines of this two-in-one: "you certainly demonstrate a penchant for being an asshole rivalled only by PB on these forums".

Ask yourself this: why would the cabal that orchestrated this massive conspiracy of remote controlled missile firing drones and disappearing airplanes and pre-planted explosives in the World Trade Center NOT have been able to plant fake black boxes? Or put pre programmed black boxes in the planes? Or simply find the black boxes and say they contained whatever data they wanted? It makes absolutely no sense, although apparently many are happy to ignore that (if they even thought through the logical consequences). Ask yourself which of the conspiracy fanatics here would have been impressed had black boxes been found which confirmed the "official" version of events. NONE. Therefore this is yet another pointless issue.

As for the melting steel, this is a perfect example of conspiracy theory question. Pose a superficially puzzling question based on an unsubstantiated assertion and then coclude that since steel doesn't melt, the two world trade centers must have been infiltrated by CIA/Mossad agents which rigged it with explosives. Most people get suckered in.

But who said the steel melted? Who said it had to melt for the building to collapse? NOBODY! This false assumption is simply not questioned.

The first person to flippantly reject this non-conspiracy version of events with a fake "LOL" and references to "sheeple" wins a free tinfoil hat.

 

Actually they did, as I pointed out previously, find the boxes and duly confiscated them under their oft used veil of "national security" (read: criminal unaccountability).

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001139.html

http://www.voicesofsept11.org/news/102904.htm

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78302&Disp=All

But of course, since such reports failed to make it through the sycophantic corporate owned media filters, we can surely expect you to refuse any intellectually honest consideration of these reports any more than you have shown regarding any other evidence of coverup by your neocon heros.

We certainly await with amusement your next regurgitated tin foil hat comment. If such were necessary, those believing the ridiculous notion that fugitives in Afghani caves could orchestrate such a complex set of militarily precise attacks would be the ones sporting such accessories. A testament to the ease with which this admin and its media mouthpieces have programmed the sheep so substantively.

 

Flippantly rejected after 6 minutes.

You are duly the proud owner of a new tinfoil hat, duly. Please duly provide a mailing addresss or post office box. EUR 3.95 handling fee not duly included.

 

That you should have them to so freely distributed says all one needs to know as to whom the unquestioningly and intellectually dishonest ring leader here happens to be.

Oh, and once again thanks for responding so quickly as to once again demonstrate your penchant for ignoring the information provided. I'm sure many here will remember not to bother taking time to provide you with any reference material in the future.

Now kindly toddle off to a more welcoming self deluded status quo forum where i'm sure youll be more at home.

 

Sorry, I'll only be sending you some of the raw materials which I keep in my kitchen.

Some assembly required. Email MikeRuppert@You'llBelieveAnything.com for help.