Revolution !!!

Not sure how much, or if all, of that last bit was sarcasm, but anyway, regarding your first paragraph: amen.

It's neat to talk about revolution, but people hardly act until they have little other choice. With a population spolied lazy and uber-comfortable, revolution will never take place.

It actually takes sacrifice. And yes, you people will have to give up your cozy lifestyles and all your modern irrelevant shit.

Have a good, long, open conversation with someone from South or Central America who has lived through a revolution and then decide if it's worth the price. Odds are, you'll be curled up on the sofa in no time, watching TV again...

 

Hey, Dr Phibes

I'm 56. Never owned a car, never had a salary. As far as central heating goes, I did without it once for about 9 months. Do not want to try that again.

I think one of the ways we could make rapid changes in this society without using violence is to so to speak force the government to legislate a more equal distribution of the wealth. Maybe force is too strong a word, influense might be better. Revolution to me is not necessarily violent. Revolution to me is however very quick change how ever it comes about.

 

I disagree. Revolution is not necessarily very quick change. Especially when you're revolting against the establishment and/or it's policies. Quick revolution is near-impossible in such a scenario because the first step in a revolution is always gathering enough people to effect it, and that takes a mental revolution which itself takes time, sometimes multiple generations.

 

Past revolutions have always taken time to develop, mostly due to the slow spread of ideas that influenced people. But today with the internet, ideas are able to spread at lightning speed. It only takes a couple years nowadays to get a huge mouvement started.
The only problem is that people who are interested in these kinds of ideas need to go look for them, while the average american spends his time shoping for new useless goodies or whatever...
The trick is to get the message and ideas to people, to break into the closed mentality of the average american. Once that happens, the only challenge will be to get our asses off the computer and out into the streets.

 

The average American wants his news and ideas delivered to him and our mainstream medias do not deliver our ideas. It is not that they are not interested it is because he is provided with systemic and one sided ideas.

 

In another thread I wrote something along the lines of:
Dont sit there talking the state to death
the state aint listening
the state went deaf about 200 years ago
the best bet is to attract its attention
wave your arms about - have a riot
and if it still aint listening to what you want
hold up a sign in letters 40ft friggin hi
with a sign saying
"are you gonna get a hearin aid an listen? or do we have to pull you down?"
The state aint listening to non of us - it spies on forums to get public opinion - but it dont change policy based on that - it wants to find out how subversive we are becoming.
BEST BET - get more outrageous in your posts- accuse - bellittle - flame - demand
argue with vehemence and spit
dont back down and dont ask stupid questions

 

In another thread I wrote something along the lines of:
Dont sit there talking the state to death
the state aint listening
the state went deaf about 200 years ago
the best bet is to attract its attention
wave your arms about - have a riot
and if it still aint listening to what you want
hold up a sign in letters 40ft friggin hi
with a sign saying
"are you gonna get a hearin aid an listen? or do we have to pull you down?"

 

what you'al may be saying is that change in and of itself is slow. all or at least most change develops slowly; that includes revolution, but revolution affects change more quickly than any other mechanism for change that I know of. I've never been in a revolution so I can't say with authority that I know what I'm talking about but I'd say it's a fairly sure bet that if revolution comes we'll all be in it whether we want to be or not.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose and you ain't got nothin' babe, nothin' if you ain't free. Janis Joplin

 

I really like what the people in Bolivia, and Ecuador, do when pissed off at their government, they do their infamous road blockades. I don't think a revolution will ever get organized because of paranoia, healthy paranoia. Even writing in this forum, I write with the idea that this may be read by someone from the CIA or FBI one day. I talk on the phone the same way, thinking someday the content of that phone call will come back to haunt or incarcerate me. I have read a great deal about revolutionaries, and I do astrological profiles of those revolutionaries, and the most successful of those revolutionaries have some strong Tauraus in their charts, the sign that never gives up, has patience galore, leaves no stone unturned. i.e Ho Chi Minh, Che Guevara, Lenin.

 

The united States of American needs to return to the constitutional republic that it once was prior to 1913. When the Federal Reserve System (a private corporation/cabal) was passed, that was the end of America. The world's problem is due to WHO CREATES the money. Do some research on what money is. Read Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Read Creature from Jekyll Island. The people of the world are slaves by usury. If you don't know what that is, look it up. Has anyone here heard of Rep. Ron Paul? He is the only congressman that will discuss this issue. The law of the land, the constitution of the united States of America is being ignored and trashed, unless someone in the gov wishes to apply it for their protection, of course. That's what's wrong with this country. Your rights are being taken away through fraud, deception, lies and ignorance. The judges and law enforcement are so corrupt, I am more afraid of them than the "terrorist". No one can convince me that the 9/11 Commission Report is anything but a whitewash. Why did WTC building 7 fall? hmmm

Remember the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine? I believe they were successful and it was peaceful. Anyone here from Ukraine?

 

I think that we should overthrow the current U.S. Government. IT IS CORRUPT.

 

yes..that sounds like a pretty little idea, but what are you gonna put in place of it? Chances are, if you overthrow the U.S. government, a equally or even more corrupt government (if even such a thing exists) in place of it. Would you rather have the Isreali government ruling over America? Might be better than having Dubya in power, but it's still be shit. So, there's no point in overthrowing any form of government unless you got something better to put in.

 

don't want a ruler - and don't want to rule . we gotta go for the singular community voice . it's there , in the absence of a ruler . if you always had a ruler you maybe wouldn't know .

 

How about a huge plastic hamburger or beef burger
it would be as useful and not cost so much - it would also be good to look at and wouldnt kill as many people
then you would all be free to communalise and make new political decisions
dont be fooled by thinking you have to decide now what will come later
nihilism is the best option - that is: pull the state down now and theorise later
pulling the state down will mean a huge effort and by the time you have achieved it the future will look much different than you planned for.
Also dont be fooled into thinking that what comes after must have economic
viability - economics is a product of living not a natural law which dictates
how a society will operate - especially an anarchist or communist society which will depend on very decentralised forms of democracyand may involve a myriad of solutions to suit each commune
The argument proffered by those who ask - "what would you replace it with - realises no man or woman can have an answer it is designed to undermine your ability to say "I want radical change"

 

Check out this:

REAL Money Is Inflation Proof:
Your Liberty Dollar Solution

http://www.libertydollar.org/

 

for some reason i sense that if we overthrow the govenment then this locatioin will be total chaos either way Americas going down so what the hell i give my body to the cause! i love america yay!

when things get too heavy just call me helium the lightest known gas to man-jimi hendrix my muse

 

Well after revolution has happened; I would just leave the scene; and let the people decide what kind of government they whant. That's the way it should be. By 'leaving the scene' I mean moving; I might become Buddist monk in Tibet wen revolution is over.

 

I think chaos would only ensue if people want there to be chaos. And how many people in America want to live in chaos?
If you don't want to live in total chaos, then don't. Organize yourself and you're good.

 

This tactic is called a "General Strike" and is not a viable option unless you hve unionised labour forces to organise such a thing.
Its a tactic used in Europe from about the 1930's to (especially in France)
the present day, but is less common as the first step on the road to fascism was precisely the step to eradicate the big unions across Europe.