Revolution !!!

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No offence. Half of that sounded like pseudo-pop psycho babble.

I like the playing music idea. But seriously, i'm fucking sick of this whole "we've got to persuade people" bullshit. How the fuck are we going to persuade people unless we demonstrate that alternative methods of living, politicising, maintaining law are possible and feasible.

Yes, there should be a big group of people beating drums and making noise for justice. But some of us should get off our arses and support real movements....like (as much as I hated the film) the free health care model set up by Patch Adams...or join, support or start a commune...experiment with natural farming methods.....anything you like. But just ACT. Say for example, we did succeed in a revolution in the near future (which we wont because the middle class is vast and comfortable), our priorities would be so out of whack that we'd probably just emplace another tyranny upon ourselves. These things need to be sorted out thoughtfully and creatively from the bottom up.

Currently i'm part of the drum beater side of things, so I am ultimately trying to persuade myself to move.

 

in the way the US is set up now, doing what you say, like the farming and such, will cost money that the people that do want to change dont have. its going to have to be more than just that.

 

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Of course. But i still think the balance of screaming to DOING is not right.

Why do you think so many hippies and young punks go back to regular middle class American dream living? Because they fail to realise their dreams.

 

they fail to follow through and take initiative (howevr you spell that)

 

ya know it would be nice to know what the hell we are revolting against...ya know just and idea

but figure that out and more than likely cound me in

 

Exactly

And laziness is hard to counter once it sets in and stays there for too long.

 

my name is fabioula i totally support a revolution,just not sure how to start one.. i believe we take a united front,for allthose people whos voices are muffled..lead the way and ill follow. ipromise ill be standing by u !1in this battle

 

^^^alright. I'll launch the nukes.

 

aren't we revolting against the system??

the biggest problem is that people are kept silent with junk entertainment, junklifestyle and junkfood. when people realise that that kind of things are bullshit, there will be a change of mind. and that's the start we need. from where it goes than? I wouldn't know, but I gandhi kinda strategy would fit me

 

What those of us here (at this website, in this thread) probably want to achieve in a revolution (or by other means) is greater socioeconomic equity, better quality life for all, a healthy environment.

It hasn't happened in the USA because people have been reasonably content.

Socioeconomic deterioration may change things. Per capita income has not kept pace with inflation for 7 years. Retirement and healthcare benefits are being eliminated. Money is being wasted to the max in Iraq and on the military. Congress recently cut college funding. Disparity between the 10% wealthiest and 10% poorest was 7 fold in the 70s now it's 15 fold. It's true the Dow is finally rising and jobs are being created but I doubt you can live on these jobs. If corporations can't afford to pay healthcare and pensions how can one expect individuals will be able to do so? GM is virtually bankrupt.

But that's not all.

Most of the socioeconomic deteroration predates the doubling in the cost of oil. Increased energy costs in coming years will make matters even worse. And demand for oil in developing nations is anticipated to quadruple in short order.

I doubt the US can transition fast enough. Poor countries have always been poor but for those used to having everything at the touch of a button it could get bad.

There's fuel for the revolution.

But I'm not painting a pretty picture. In the 60s I might have thought it would lead to love and peace. That's not what I'm thinking now.

It depends on which side wins.

I'm not optimistic because it appears the US is a nation of bigots from I don't know I suppose one has to say latter day manifestations of slavery and the Civil War era. Or look around maybe the human race naturally tends toward bigotry. Anyway southern bigots and their ideological kin are the forces running the US and that's the way it's going to stay as long as fundamentalist indoctrination centers are on every Mainstreet USA and every airwave.

And that's where the guns are. It's not progressives with the weapons it's bigots and the military.

When times get tough you know who's going to be shooting whom and who's going to end up on top.

Progressivism has made inroads in places like Venezuela only because the military has had substantial progressive components.

This is a worst case scenario. It's for you to judge whether it's realistic. Make your judgements on facts.

You may want to consider getting out of this place.

 

What about a world without any country borders?
I don't want us all the same but all together

The sad point for such a thing to happen is that we need a leader to support such a plan...
And that guy/girl will have to sacrifice his/her life for us
That leader will have to be a great leader! It doesnt look like an easy revolution to organise, and I am not sure the establishment will let him in peace, if he doesn't get killed by "accident"...
I am with when he get the plan started...

 

For trade to happen there needs to be regulation and regulation needs to be at a point close to the heart of where the trade is taking place.

I've used this one many times but take the scottish fishing industry.

Under your system there would be no borders so anyone could fish anywhere. Fish stocks would deplete in some areas very quickly.

Law and Order would be impossible because someone has to regulate the laws if you are to have any. If you suggest a world government which governs the laws then you are talking centralisation which I am totally against.

Regional government for regional issues has always worked well. Thats why we have borders.

 

if the world became like Pangea again, alot of us would be dead. Even if the borders were taken out, it would civil unrest. People from certain countries that want to kill someone from another can't get in because of border laws and if the borders were taken out, those people would be able to get them. I'd love for everyone to get together and love on another. That'd be so far out. But, unfourtunately, not everyone thinks that way.

 

"Regional government for regional issues has always worked well."
I totally agree with you, but I think the gov should be at a tinier level than we see today, let say, the city level.

Actually i would like a system where decisions are oming from the citizen to the global, not from the global to the citizens.
And I would prefer an economy of gift instead of trade, trade implies money, and we don't need money
If you are to do a revolution, it must be a real one

I don't worry for our fishes Actually it is already depleting, even if there are some rules. (mediterranee, chile... and actually all oceans are depleting already.)
With a world scale view and law, you can actually find solutions that we can not for the moment... like environmental issues

 

The people will be the leader

 

OK I will lead the revolution 1 legalize happiness 2 legalize pot 3 make wars illegal 4 twenty
OK to make this revolution we need tactics.
I propose actions such as these. If you do this little blood cleanser with sulfer and mollasses like my grandma use to do with her kids in the spring. A phenomena happens where u can fart all day long. Yes it is true cause I use to do that cleanser when I was a kid and I don t know if it cleaned my blood but it sure made me fart stinky loud farts.
We should invade all business districts with farting comandos. Go into fancy jewelry stores and do are thing. Even prefilling baloons with this revolutionary gas and target the filthy rich. No one gets hurt no one goes to jail and everybody talks about it.
For more high profile tactics and strategy just send your vote to.
The ultimate farting revolutionary brigade. Care of URANUS

 

har

 

Revolution breeds chaos.
Chaos breeds violence.
Violence breeds poor government.
Poor government breeds Revolution.
QED.

 

oh im sorry i dident tell you , lets think, what is evil? , what has us in war right now even know we started it in the 90s ? and everyone thinks they started it. what government controls every thing we do and say they don't?, oh that's right the U.S. government