Revolution !!!

And attitudes like yours are exactly why we're stuck where we are. Such pessimism (or maybe realism) are a result of our being pissed off at the normalization of the bullshit in our society/world. People don't think we can do things as a group because people don't think we can do things as a group.

How about this, mr. morrison: everyone currently participates in the capitalistic, hierarchical society that we live in. That is cooperation (however resistant some individuals may be) on a massive scale. What makes you think that that kind of thing couldn't happen again, but for peace?

 

This is my prayer and wish for todays citizens. That we can band together against those that seek to profit by our efforts. It's time to tell them to stick it! That we will not protect them, we don't care about their corporate holdings, we care about what is right and wrong, not what you try to tell us is "right or wrong", what we know from what we have been taught by our parents and our churches, and not those glorified churches on television, our priests, our ministers that have told us do no harm to another living soul. The true churches of the soul, not the corporate entities. Don't try and sell us your sh*t we don't buy it anymore!

 

what about the people who are not christian.religon is war and if you put that in play you are for sure without a doubt going to have problems.if something like this was to take place again we would def. have to not follow any relgion guidelines.religon is how one feels and it is a feeling that should be held to oneself.

 

its not that i dont want peace, i fully support it. but there are way more people who dont care about peace then people who do. whether you like it or not its true. and not anytime soon will enouigh people think peacefully. maybe im being a bit pessimistic, but im being more realistic than you guys. you cant hang on to dreams that are not possible at this time.

im not saying go out and attack politicians, but if they start making violent moves toward us, then we have to make defense. im making it sound like a war, but if they send a bunch of cops out to beat a bunch of peaceful protesters and kick their asses, they should fight back. otherwise the cops will get the message of "we can take advantage of them anytime we want because they wont stand up for themselves.

im all for a peaceful way, and i would follow that, but i dont see any chance of that being successful. i geuss i am just a pessimist

 

keep religion out of it, that will just makes things 20 times worse. we dont want a religious kind of thing controling a movement. that just leads to intolerance and hate. you can keep your religion, but dont make a religion the base of a movement.

and we dont need to base what is right and wrong taught to us by our parants. its time to think for yourself. figure out what is right and wrong based on your experiances and your own values. not what you are told. my mom isnt a person who values peace or equality very much and if i was to follow her, i would be just another anti-gay, anti-drug, right winged bible thumper.

 

I know - Instead of revolution - have a cup of coffee and a cigarette and relax watching TV. That way you save becoming agitated and actually do what you probably do most mornings. If we have a revolution can we include revolutionising the music that is
played in supermarkets - I would like to force them to play Motorhead - The Ace of Spades amongst other tracks - and a lot of "Half Man Half Biscuit" songs

 

There's a fine line between pessimism and realism and I'm not sure where you fall on that continuum. I agree with some of the things you said and I disagree with others.

In regards to religion, everyone should be able to participate in the spiritual faith of their choice, but any one religion should not be in control of this movement. The past should be evidence enough of why not.

You don't believe there will be a wave of peace anytime soon or maybe in your lifetime and that's fine. I think you're right, a lot of people don't think it's possible and you are one of those people. In that case I only ask one thing of you: if you're still alive when that time of peace arrives, stay out of our way. The last thing we need is someone in our ear telling us we can't do it. If you want to pout in a corner, bitch about how bad the world has gotten, and then claim there's nothing you or anybody else can do to fix it, that's your right and you are able to do that. But to bring everyone down to your pessimistc level is selfish and counter-productive.

Yes, we are dreamers (props to gardener), but tell me what great act didn't start out as a dream, a vision, an idea? What do you care if we dream? We'll gather ourselves together on a mass scale and we'll fight. We might fail, you're right, but we also might succeed. We will never know until we try.

 

As cool as a revolution would be...you gotta know that about 30 revolutions start and end every day out here on the internet.
It's real easy to get one started and be all energized and so forth...but then the work part of it starts, and they always stall.
How do you deal with the current political climate?
How do you feel about violence/nonviolence being used in your revolt?
How do you intend to fund any actions you may do?
How do you plan on dealing with the current laws that will likely oppose your revolt?
How do you intend to mass-organize 'under the radar'?
How are you going to deal with religion?(Someone somehow WILL make it an issue)
How are you going to improve things?
How are youn going to convince the people in OTHER revolutions that yours is better?


...it goes on and on.
Be your own revolution. Change the world one moment, experience, and person at a time. Be brutally yourself - don't ever back down. Hope others join you, but don't rely on it.

 

i agreed with this on the religion so why are you saying i diddnt?
and im not someone who is gonna try to stop a peace movement. if one starts, like i said before, im all for it and will join in.

 

With all this discussion of violent retaliation against cops at peace protests, I'm sort of surprised that nobody has mentioned the agents provocateurs of the 'sixties, and how they were hired by the authorities to incite otherwise peaceful protesters into acts of violence that would give the police carte blanche to start busting heads. Could this be a forgotten piece of history? Something so old it's new again? Or did somebody mention it, and I just missed it?

If violence breaks out at a protest rally, the protesters have played right into the hands of the authorities. What they used to do, see, was infiltrate "undesirable" groups--anti-war, civil rights, pro-drug legalization, etc.--with agents dressed like hippies, and in the middle of the protest, the agents would start going, "Yee-haw, let's rumble!" or some such, and attack the police... just not too hard.

Mob dynamics being what they are, the violence would run through the crowd. Very quickly, everybody would be fighting. The press would already have been called to record some great propaganda about what violent, nasty outlaws these protesters were. The police would have all the excuse they needed to use force and start rounding people up. The protesters would be arrested and publicly discredited. Joe Sixpack of the Silent Majority, back home in front of his TV, would mumble "Filthy hippy hypocrites," and authority wins again.

If somebody tries to incite violence at a peaceful protest, don't trust them. It's likely they're trying to get the protesters to do exactly what the authorities want them to do.

Peaceful protesters have some degree of respect. Violent protesters are nothing but hooligans in the public mind. Protesters don't stand a chance against the police, but they look really bad trying, they end up arrested, and that was the point of infiltrating organizations with agents provocateurs on the government payroll all along.

 

You would be naive and ignorant to think that a revolution is possible in the U.S. at this time. Even a Coup d'etat isn't possible. The U.S. government is far to spread out, it would never work. Hopefully, in the future, (hopefully sooner than later), the time will come in the U.S. for revolution. Not a regime change, because, I agree with communists that workers deserve much more than they get, but not that they should be in charge. The whole Dictatorship of the Proletariat aspect of a communist revolution is just exchanging one dictator to another. The only corruption-free way of living would be in an anarchist society. A true anarchist society, not the image that the U.S. government feeds its citizens, like when they call Somalia an anarchy.

 

I didn't say that you didn't agree in regards to religion, I was simply stating my opinion on the issue and it is the same as yours. I apologize if that's the way it came out, but that's not what I meant.

How do you (anyone) think a movement will start if no one believes it can happen at this time, yet everyone is waiting around for it anyway? Grim asks some hard questions that would have to be addressed if a movement were to occur and I do realize that a number of such ventures are short lived. I will think about your questions, Grim.

Hey freedomforall, it sounds like you're in the same camp as mr. morrison in that you think a revolution isn't possible right now, but that you would be down for it if it did happen. Is that about right?

 

i see what your saying... how if all we keep saying is "ill join if it starts" then it will never start. but i think to have something change in america, a good start would be for someone to buy a television station. and on the news, they dont follow the reguilar media bull shit. they put out the truth. whether its good or bad, everyone deserves to know the truth.you use that station to teach people about the real US, not the one they were taught to believe in. and we could also cover peaceful protests and get the opinion of everybody. not just high up conservative middle class white people. EVERYBODY. druggies, junkies, poor, rich, liberals, and conservatives. we let people know what is really out there. not whta they are shown through the modern media. then maybe the govt will see that everyone is opening their eyes to the truth and they might be forced to change to stay in power.

what do you think of that idea?

 

I think that's a fucking great idea. I confess that I've actually never thought about that...hmm. Clearly that television station would have an agenda, as all television stations do, but it would be straight up, telling it like it is instead of catering to big business. The only trick would be to find someone (or some people) who believe in the mission.....I like it.

There are a bunch of issues that would go along with it though like: what's to stop the owner/owners of the station from becoming drunk on their power and ending up greedy and corrupt like the rest of them? That would have to be addressed if this were to happen. Kudos to you, mr. morrison. I like the way you think. How would you suggest going about this?

 

well, first you need money to buy a tv station, so that would have to be first. start out by making it local. in like an area with lots of people and the area is political, like DC. eventually it spreads when we get more money and we make sure that no one gets corrupted on power. havnt yet figured out how to exactly make sure of it. but how about you, got any ideas?

i would be a TV station like hipforums. free speech and equality and a vision of an america the way it was supposed to be. like how the founding fathers said it would be. not the modern america.

 

Unfortunately money will always be an issue. This peace station, when and if it occurs, would only reach a small audience at first, but then it would grow...reaching that critical mass after a time and eventually everyone would be able to tune into peace...that kinda has a ring to it. It wouldn't happen right away as you said...if we're serious about this we'll have to discuss this further in some depth. Let me know if you want to do that.

What do other people think?

 

Sommalia IS an anarchy. It has no government, instead has warlords and armed militias roaming the streets who can shoot down anyone they please for no reason? Where a rapist can walk around without fear of prosecution? NO thanks, i'll stay here and serve my damn country, and possibly prevent any revolution from happening.

 

What you need is an investor for this television station. If one person from every state could find an investor who would want to back a television station like this, then you would be set. People could then be in contact with their "sister stations" in other states to keep the local audience hip to what was going on in the other states.

I have often thought of this scenario in my head, but it seems like what you would have to do would be to put an ad out there, organize yourself, and simply seek out this "investor"

To be honest, these things aren't too difficult. Last year, i organized a benefit for hurricane katrina. I only spent $40 of my own money, and i raised $20,000.00 for the victims... I guess its all within your motivation. But now you got my wheels turning again. Maybe, just maybe, i will take that ad out. All kinds of companies would want ad space...local organic markets, hybrid cars, and clothing companies. See, we need to let big business help us take them down without knowing it...OR is that bad?
Could we manipulate the system into self-destructing? Or is that against the true principal?

Man, organization is a bitch.

 

Originally I was going to tell you to go away because your subtle shortsightedness is starting to bother me, but I've decided to ask you a question instead: what are your solutions to the problems that plague us? When I say "us" I mean humanity in general.

 

I don't think it's wrong at all to use the system against itself. That's what some celebrities do. PINK, for example, has a song on her new album that calls the president out, yet she is within the capitalistic system. She worked the system and now she's in a position to do something about it. I'm not saying that she IS doing anything about it, necessarily, but you see what I mean?

You raised $20,000 for Katrina victims?! Good work! Kudos on that. This is definitely something mr. morrison (I hope it's okay if I speak for you here) and I are interested in. I would like to know how you pulled your benefit together if you don't mind sharing that info, and what your ideas would be for this peace station.