Revelation Revealed?

Discussion in 'Sanctuary' started by jmt, Jul 5, 2010.

  1. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    I think we can become confused about our relationship to our father. I understand gods will for us to be abundant and everlasting life, and I find that I am of the same will. God's will and our will is the same will, being created in the likeness and image of our creator.

    God judged the world and man good at creation. Man is deceived by a lie and that lie is that we know the difference between good and evil. The knowledge of good and evil is not knowledge, it is perception. What we know is comfort and discomfort, pain and pleasure, ease and disease. What we do not know is that our judgments of good and evil are an attempt to attack god's plan for salvation, as we struggle to satisfy ourselves with conditions that we imposed on ourselves. We know not what we do.

    We create as our father creates. We are justified as well as condemned by our words. The words we use set the parameters of our own experience, and we share our experience with others. Forgiveness is the remedy for judgment. We forgive the world what we thought it was and allow the holy spirit to show us another one, the one god created.
    If god is love and god is everywhere in his creations then there is nowhere love is absent, however our judgments against obscure our awareness of loves presence.
    I think that love is what we are, (devotional) and we are sufficient to the task if we withhold nothing. If the measure you give is the measure you get then the only thing that can be absent is what we have not given.
    It is important to note that the idea is by definition, false. The words you use correctly express the idea but the idea is false. What god created is pure and has never been anything else. The impurities we see are the effects of our own judgments and we must condemn in order to justify our unwillingness to forgive.

    I would like to say that none of these words are meant to be doctrinaire but meant to encourage thought and discussion.
     
  2. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    Sola Scriptura is the belief that Scripture alone is the source of all doctrine. Sola Fide is the belief that it is our faith, and only our faith, apart from any works or grace, is necessary for Salvation.

    These are generally Protestant beliefs, and distinct from Catholic and Orthodox beliefs of Saving Grace.




    I would call that state a state of grace that comes through the Sacraments. Once we commit grave (i.e. mortal) sins, we are no longer in this state until we formally repent and reconcile. In those sins we completely reject the love of God and cut ourselves off from salvation.
     
  3. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    I disagree I think no sin is not repentable.

    unless you can bring up verse that say opposite to what am saying.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    (Matthew 12:32) For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.
     
  5. thedope

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    There is a practical reason for this. Not that it is an offense against god but that the holy spirit is our link to god, the spark of light that god gives us constituting our desire for goodness. You deny this link and you have no hope of finding goodness as only god is good.
    Love only goes where it is invited. Only what you allow to be healed in you, can be healed.
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Where do you come up with this stuff?

    Oh yeah, right, that spirit you keep mistaking for the Holy Spirit. :rolleyes:
     
  7. thedope

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    Correct. Do you have some objection to what I said?
     
  8. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    It is not that it is not repentable, but that we must formally repent through Confession.
     
  9. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

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    Blasphemy is against the Holy Ghost is unforgivable.
    The scripture given by OWB, Matt. 12:31 is pretty clear.
     
  10. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

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    Well, I find it in Matt. 12:31...verse 32 continues saying that whosoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it will not be forgiven them in this world, nor the world to come.
     
  11. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

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    Do Catholics view this differently?
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Oh, I object to most of what you say but don't point it out as I have in the past because I know you will just will throw up a massive smoke screen till no one knows what in the world you are talking about or what the subject of the discussion was.

    In this case you stated that "Only what you allow to be healed in you, can be healed" although Jesus clearly healed those who were nonbelievers, some were even dead and were unable to "allow" anything.

    (Ecclesiastes 9:5) . . .but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all. . .
     
  13. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Well don't be shy. So you are protecting everyone from confusion?

    You have no idea what arrangements might have been made, while persons were living. Jesus knew Lazurus. Time after time Jesus when healing stated that it was the persons faith that had healed them. I know you don't like to hear anything that disagrees with your model of god. Your mind is a kingdom you alone can rule, love does not go where it is not invited.
    It is not clear that Jesus healed nonbelievers, but you can try to convince me if you like.
     
  14. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    Why would we?

    CCC 1864 "Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
    http://www.va/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a8.htm

    But also...
    CCC 982 There is no offense, however serious, that the Church cannot forgive. "There is no one, however wicked and guilty, who may not confidently hope for forgiveness, provided his repentance is honest. Christ who died for all men desires that in his Church the gates of forgiveness should always be open to anyone who turns away from sin.
    http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a10.htm


    If you ever want to know exactly what the Church teaches and believes, check out the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
     
  15. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    So you admit you're trying to confuse people?:rolleyes:
    Are you inferring the resurrections Jesus performed were mere tricks that were prearranged?

    Also it appears that Jesus knew neither Jairus' daughter nor did he know the widow of Nain or her dead son. So no "arrangements" were made with them.
    But a dead person has no faith to heal themselves.
    I don't like to hear anything that disagrees with my model of god? :smilielol5:
    How do you "know" such a thing? Did your spirit tell you this? If it did, it seems it has mislead you again. :rolleyes:
    You seem to be talking about yourself again.
    On one occasion Jesus healed a lame man who didn't even know who he was. (John 5:5-9, 13)

    Jesus also healed the severed ear of the high priest’s servant, although this man was one of the group of Jesus’ enemies who had come to arrest him. (Luke 22:50, 51)

    As for trying to convince you, if you don't believe the Bible, who am I to convince you.
     
  16. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    no
    so
    again, so
    Uhuh
    What does the bible tell you about me?
     
  17. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Does someone rule your mind beside you?
     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    So what were you implying when you said; "You have no idea what arrangements might have been made, while persons were living."
    "So no "arrangements" were made with them."
    You said; "It is not clear that Jesus healed nonbelievers", if this person didn't even know who Jesus was I would say it would be hard for him to be a "believer" and yet he was healed.
    Likewise you said; "It is not clear that Jesus healed nonbelievers", if this person was there to capture Jesus to put him to death I would say it would be hard for him to be a "believer" and yet he was healed.
    Lots :D
     

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