race and preferences

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Deranged, Jun 16, 2009.

  1. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    i talked to a black guy not too long ago who said he got mocked and beat up by his siblings as a kid for being too light skinned. they'd say "play that funky music white boy" to him and stuff.

    but i dunno...my best guess to why there's a lot of black on black crime and violence is black gang activity tends to stay in black neighborhoods.
     
  2. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    LMFAO. But the Wayans did so much for that genre. *tear*

    Maybe black folk are hard on themselves, since Dubbya Bush doesn't give a shit about black people?
     
  3. Bonkai

    Bonkai Later guys

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    Bush doesn't give a shit period. Me or anyone for that matter could be hanging from cliff and all you need is a shit to save your life, Bush wouldn't give a shit.
     
  4. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Totally.

    Everything that President Dubbya Bush did was for the benefit of the wealthy.

    For 8 years. It's maddening.
     
  5. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    What! two wongs don't make a white :D


    Hotwater
     
  6. NotDeadYet

    NotDeadYet Not even close.

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    ...and for the fundamentalists.
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    8% of the world is a lot of people. And when you consider that most species demonstrate same sex behavior it would appear with his premise that white males seek our while males, etc. that's it a natural event. So why do we still focus on some outdated concept of what's acceptable?
     
  8. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    takes time for the world to change. i'm not positive on this, but i think the world is moving progressively more liberal. let's just hope there's no economic collapse to set us back.
     
  9. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    I've always said that if capital has the support and freedom to migrate and flow its merry way through one country and onto the next, that people and labour capital should also be permitted the same opportunity to do so.

    The global labour market should be regulated right alongside capital trade in similar fashion. That's how it's supposed to work in theory, people should have the same freedoms to work in their country of their choosing if investors have the power to invest in the country of their choosing.
     
  10. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    i'm not sure if i'm following exactly what you're saying (it's been a while since i've had intelligent conversations)...but i guess that's just the beauty of how selfish individual nations are in a capitalistic world.

    and i think it'd take a seriously powerful UN or whatever to do that. the ones with the power now (america and whoever else) would probably not be too happy about that.

    like an international anti-trust movement similar to what america had in the beginning of the 20th century...but applied to countries rather than monopolizing businesses.
     
  11. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    I think immigrants and racial barriers can be broken down if we allow more labour capital the same rights to flow through investment opportunities that capital has.

    At least, that was my point.

    The reason why we have many racial barriers linked to socio-economic status and limitations of a particular racial group to their own individual mobility is because we are making decisions purely from a capital freedom standpoint when it comes to global economic trading. Border security tightens down at the same time that capital mobility rises. These things are the markets and the global view stance of the future.
     
  12. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    so basically what you're saying is that open borders would be worse for the individual country, but better for the world?

    (your big words are confrusing me. lol)
     
  13. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    Partly. I'm saying that I should be able to go work in Cuba as easily as a company is able to invest in a Cuban market.

    Mexicans should be able to live in the USA as easily as it for Americans to drink Corona.

    The same kind of mobility power that is applicable to cash-money capital should be applicable to labour/physical humans capital. Equal opportunity for people and $.
     
  14. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    i agree, but my reasons are more from a humanitarian standpoint. (like the hypocritical statement on the statue of liberty).

    ignorantly, i still think that something like this would be harmful to an individual country's economy. and since countries operate from a selfish dog-eat-dog capitalistic standpoint, something like this wouldn't be possible without some serious international effort. and it really doesn't seem to me like the UN has that kind of power.

    it's not just america that runs this way. it's the entire world. they'd do the same thing if they could. doesn't make it right though.
     
  15. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    I know, but that is why I offer a new perspective to the debate. New ideas instead of tired old ones.
     
  16. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    yeah. i dunno. i just think this "death to america" shit is counterproductive. if you call someone an asshole, then try to argue your point, they're not gonna listen. but if you sit down and say, "i see where you're coming from. why you do what you do. but here's what i think might help" they just might listen.

    regardless, if the un doesn't do something, it's gonna take some serious international sanctions against the american monopoly on the world economy for us to change (like iran contra or whatever). and even then, we might be too stubborn and proud.

    if you'll let me pick your brain a little more...what exactly is it that america does that pisses off the rest of the world? is it meddling in foreign affairs with selfish intent? is it monopolizing the world economy?

    i really think that, unless you find a way for it to be in the best interest of america, they're not gonna change. john locke and all that. "people tend to do what's in their own best interest." i'm pretty sure that philosophy applies to macroeconomics too.

    maybe the world needs to put forth a trust bust program like president taft or whoever did. if there even is a monopoly. i might be talking out of my ass here.
     
  17. Hiptastic

    Hiptastic Unhedged

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    I think we should start by letting people move between rich countries easily. No work permit or residency permit needed for Americans and EU citizens to move to Canada. Then slowly expand the list of countries.
     
  18. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    bah fuck we need a passport just to get into Canada now
     
  19. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    alright. well. i guess i'm still stuck here. is american black tendency to prefer black disporportionately more than other races (whites at least). is this due to them being able to relate more with a black artist or politician. or is this due to them supporting their still statistically unequal race with such a terrible history in america?
     
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