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Your mom is one of the rarer Christians these days...and people like that are being forced out of their churches if they don't become bible literalists in some of the protestant ones.

Just because you follow a religion does not mean you have to completely turn off your brain.

I'm not saying I know how the Earth and life started, all I'm saying is that it started somehow, whether it be from a god or otherwise, and these processes have been going on ever since.

 

I don't agree with it, but atleast you could explain something!

 

I thought Evolution claimed we were apes.

 

It's not rare. Most catholics (which are mostly very liberal) conscider the creation story in Genesis as a metaphore, because that one pope said so.

However, the Bible contradicts evolution, and vice-versa.

 

Oh, christ on a cracker. The most prevelent and widely accepted view about the evolution of humans is that we, Homo Sapiens sapiens, and modern primates; Orangutans, Gorrillas, Chimpanzees, etc, evolved from a common ancestor species. Something like this:

 

Yeah, I know. But she was comparing the different types of Apes with Human races.



There is more than one type of Gorilla.

And i made a mistake. According to evolution we're Primates, not apes, silly me

I use them alot interchangabley...

 

quote: I don't agree with it, but atleast you could explain something!


I COULD have expolained it, but it would be more enjoyable to attempt to teach a piece of wood about natural selection.

Why waste my knuckle joints typing it?

By the way, Chimps and humans share 99.4% of the same genes.

But perhaps Jesus himself made you special out of marble that doesn't lose its shine and platinum.

You are just better than everyone else...that was easy wasn't it...2 months ago you were headed straight to hell, now you can even look down on your fellow Christians.

 

I don't agree with it, but atleast you could explain something!



& what _exactly_ is it that you want explained, dearie? ...
(i thought that i was being reasonably coherent in this thread...)

 

hey dude,

ok..
the same reason there's something like 27 thousand different species of fish.
random changes.
evolution is the idea that life is built up very gradually, in steps, in each of which random mutations occur in the genetic makeup of the organism. for one reason or another some of these changes stick around and after a long accumulation of steps, entire populations undergo such a change.
first of all,
you have to wrap your mind around the concept of such an enormity of time as two million years available for man's evolution. [science generally tells us that the world is ~3.5 billion years old; creationism tells us it is only 5000 years old.] i think that generally the problem with understanding evolution is not understanding such a time frame.

as far as hair colour or type goes, random mutations occur in the genes for hair colour over much time. they are passed on through generations, and these mutations can be maintained in entire populations just so long as their effects aren't negatively affecting population growth, or that there aren't any mutations that are more beneficial competing. either way, the population would die out and so the trait would no longer be seen. straight, black hair gradually becomes the common trait in asian territories, curly, black hair in african territories, etc. red hair becomes more prevalent in northern european territories. it all occurs to do random mutations over time that are able to hold on through enough consecutive generations to eventually be sustained throughout the whole population of the area.

that's what i know about evolution, anyway. i'm no evolutionary biologist though, so if anyone knows better please do correct my explanation!

peace,

sophia

 

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whoa dude. 'unless you have something inside of you and believe?' you're sounding an awful lot like a lot of religionists in saying that. she's totally cool to come in here and request information just as a non-christian is perfectly cool to go into the christian forum and request info of christians. i don't like the idea that the agnostic/atheist forum is FOR agnostics and atheists and likewise for the other philosophy and religion forums. it's for the discussion of those topics, that's all.

you're pretty much saying there that she won't get it unless she believes it already, which makes no sense. i believe the idea is to keep an open mind.

peace

 

I'm not better. When did I mention that?
Pride's a sin of the flesh. I look down on my fellow Christians? What are you talking about?!

Most Christians in the Christian forum know much more than me. So I don't understand your point...

 

Thanks!

But I already knew the mutations theory thing.

It was more like what advantage these things have. And hair color change...I don't know how that can happen through mutations! ^^;

 

i don't think the point is in what advantages the mutations had, so much as in the fact that there were no disadvantages, or competing (better) mutations to wipe them off the slate.

 

No, no, I meant that I don't think it could've been mutations...since otherwise there would probably be blonde gorillas, or black orangutans. Why did we go through more mutations?

 

You kids should take some entry level biology courses before you think you're proving some kinda challenge to evolution.

Of course evolutions real, we know how genetic changes happen through the change of genes in from parent to child. We see this happening in labs from people to viruses, and we can isolate the genes to see how they change.

Nobody can claim that this isn't happening unless they think theres some kinda scientific conspiracy to destroy god or something. We know its happening.

And thats evolution... the problem some people have is when their reigious views conflict with the sequence of events that led to our evolution because they feel they must interpret the bible literally.

Seriously, why not just say, god worked through evolution or something.

These are Jr Varsity kinda questions you're pitching. You might as well ask why Chinese parents have chinese children.

We have different hair, skin, and eye pigmentation because we've adapted to many enviornments. Hair colouring is largely isolated by region, which enforces the views of evolution.

Lighter pigmentations, whiter skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, red hair, are found in darker cooler climates like europe. Trace shifts in genes hundreds of thousands of years ago are seponsible for this, and probably have as much to do with sexual attraction as the natural advantage of darker skin in more arid climates.

You can believe whatever you want, but if you wanna play in the realm of science, evolution is happening. All around us, things are in the constant state of change.

 

We go through more mutations because we live in much larger areas then gorillas. Gorillas live in a very small area of Africa, and we live all around the entire world. We also have much larger population leading to much more chance for more prononced mutations.

Theres a really good chance that the gorilla one gorilla finds to mate with will be its second cousin. Thus less chance for significant genetic change then people have. A larger population means more chance for change.

 

Ryu,

You have so many simple questions that it makes me wonder why you dont educate yourself properly on evolution. Especially if you are going to make all kinds of claims against it. You don't have to agree with it to know about it. And knowing about it will make your claims regarding the subject more credible and logical...maybe...