Question about the legitimacy of this purchase.

After a thumbprint, you would, for sure, be doing what you or I would consider tripping after 3 days. But you'd be near the level that would become your new baseline, for ever. And tripping is being in a temporary state, if it becomes your new state, you're no longer tripping.

As far as the OP's question there, 5 hits will NOT make you trip for 3 days. Even strong 5 hits. Haven't you claimed to take 1mg (I mean, probably closer to .5mg, because of standard blotter being weak.... soz)? So you should sort of know this..... time increases, but not linearly with the dose you take.

*edit* also, I don't think most of the people in that thread are more than about 13 years old

 

Yeah I don't believe the 5 hits would do such a thing. But as some of the posters on that thread mentioned a high dose could produce a 3 day trip.
I'm a little confused as to whether you meant by the third day it's not considered tripping because you've been tripping to long, so it's the norm. Or if you meant that the come downs most of your time and not actually tripping for 3 days...

 

Everything. As the eminent Schedule 1 status of several 2C's this year shows.

I was. Maybe you missed it, I cut and pasted from Albert Hofmanns book that an LSD experience can not last beyond 12 hrs even at the highest doses. He didn't write that in 1943 after one trip, that was written in the late 70's.
Your post about your first time, you said it was like nothing you could have ever imagined. The way I heard you in the first paragraph, it was also like nothing you heard about LSD. I take it you can see the difference between first hand experience and reputable information, and bullshit.
I feel it does a disservice to the community to repeat urban myths. We have such great access to reputable material in this age that there's no reason to believe tall tales without doing at least a little reading. LSD doesn't make you legally insane after XX trips, people don't jump off of buildings thinking they can fly or stare at the sun till they're blind.
As someone that feels there is something suspicious about research being "shut down" I would think you would want to try to do some too. There is so much information and history out there if you only look for it. A little reading and you can get an idea of why LSD was made illegal and research shut down. The "suicide" death of Art Linkletters daughter, Leary's shenanigans, MK Ultra, it's all there for the finding if you look.
Don't get me wrong, I totally get your enthusiasm for something amazing you discovered. As I mentioned I was even excited for your first time. I'm saying you can be an agent for responsible psychedelia, an example of why psychedelics shouldn't be something to go to prison for, rather, something that should be revered and celebrated. And an advocate for harm reduction rather than gobbling down handfuls of questionable seeds.
Remember posting this?

Remember just a few weeks ago when you were open, interested, wanting to know and learn more?
That's all im saying.

 

And in that discussion there's no reputable source saying you can.

That thread isn't a very good argument for the "trip for days" story.

 

Voyage I have to admit you made a good point. I would love to still learn more with psychedelics, especially that of DMT, and as I posted recently an ego-death experience sometime in one of my experiences. No matter how much I have wanted psychedelics, I have always understood why from other peoples perspectives it is illegal. I was even ashamed to see today, even people using other drugs fall for the propaganda of Acid and other psychedelics.

The hardest thing with this type of research is truly finding fact between fiction, so from further on out it is probably best to use first hand experience more than readings. Thank you for your opinion.

 

Dude, totally.
I can "understand" why things got made illegal, but I still disagree.

Right! Exactly. I'd say, do both. You've seen the power of first hand experience. I take it your experience didn't match up to what you were told in that "just say no" class you had in school.
But on the other hand, there have been countless cases of drug use gone bad.
Read sir, read and learn all you can. Take in what you can and discriminate, decide for yourself what is bullshit and what's not. And for sure pass on what you learn.
I could tell when you first posted here you are intelligent, thats why I thought it was cool when you had your first experience and got to see for yourself it's not what you were told. So be that person that benefits from your experience, that person that is an example of why anti-drug propaganda is exactly that.
Did you know Dr Francis Crick won the nobel prize in the 60's by discovering the double helix design of DNA due to an LSD trip? Fact, not fiction written by "swim" on some drug forum. And I bet they didn't teach you that in school either.

 

^actually heard that one on cracked.com haha yes. There was also a guy who pitched a perfect baseball game on acid. But he later suffered from drug problems...
The interesting thing though, is acid doesn't make you intelligent, it is more of a tool for the intelligent to use. Dr. Crick was a very intelligent man interested in science, and that is why he founded one of the most known models to science today.

I've found that acid doesn't show you something that isn't already there. But it has both figuratively opened up my mind through perspective. And really literally opened my mind when it showed me that your mind is more powerful then i ever believed. For me, it gave more hope as a creative individual, because I now believe there are infinite possibilites for the creative mind.

 

No, it's not that you're not tripping because it has been three days, you're not tripping because it will be the rest of your life.

You can have flashbacks months or even years after dosing, many people do days after and don't even consider it a flashback, but nobody's calling that a trip. It's just how your brain has become.

If you take a dose that massive, you are permanently changing a LOT about yourself and how you look at the world. Maybe you'll feel funny the next day, but relative to the peak of your trip, it won't be NOTHIN'. The peak, again, involves having NO connection with the outside world, or any concept of yourself, or pretty much any concept of anything, and likely only a vague memory of the whole thing. The rest of your life will be at a point you or I would consider tripping.

 

LSD has a weird interaction with the human body that we don't fully understand, because it's metabolized long before the trip is over. With that said though, really no matter what dose of what drug we're talking about, generally the metabolic timeframe will be the same (for LSD = 8-12hrs) because you're not affecting how quickly your body gets rid of a substance in your bloodstream. Weather you are on 50ug or 5,000ug, it's going to get destroyed at basically the same proportional rate and so no, I don't believe you can really "trip" for days no matter the dose, though a dose like a sheet or thumbprint must no doubt have a POWERFUL backlash/afterglow to it that no doubt could be confused for "tripping" or mislabeled as such.

One of my shortest trips ever was my biggest dose trip, so that tells me something.

 

I've seen this theme in your posts before, putting down people who allegedly "misused" LSD and caused it to become illegal, when their only misuse was taking it and maybe not liking war. (I expect you know, things got hairy after it was illegal, not before-other than outright lies about kids thinking they had become glasses of OJ)

You just seem very pretentious.

Acid is NOT a tool for the intelligent to use, it's a tool for anyone who can handle it, because people of all mental makeups can benefit equally from it. And yes, it can literally take someone who is not "intelligent", and change the way that they think so as to make them "intelligent", I believe.

The whole pitching on acid and having drug problems is irellivant. The guy was so horribly unpredictable nobody could hit his pitches, he was NOT on, rather, he was so off that it worked. And his later drug problems have NOTHING to do with LSD or it's use, or if they did, it's still his problem, not a psychedelic drug related one, LSD does not cause drug problems but has successfully helped many thousands of people the world over realize that (and why) they have drug or other problems and use this introspection to quit. If the pitcher had drug problems, it probably shows that he didn't take enough acid, or take it for the right reasons (following what I said earlier, probably because he didn't take enough in the first place, or didn't take it with the right set)

You have a LOT of reading to do. Even reading wikipedia could help, for starters. (the edits with prohibitionist bias are easy to see, for example, don't fall for the one about the effects temporarily having the potential to resemble brain damage-this is irrelevant to pretty much anything, but if you hear it alone, sounds horrible.

 

i don't believe that a thumbprint would leave you at a "normal" trip for the rest of your life. i dunno, and i don't suppose you've done one either, roorshack?

 

I take it, I don't like war. I'm obsessed with the culture of the 60s and the free spirit of individuals and their free wills. The baseball player had drug problems, not LSD problems. The point was he was a talented baseball player and pitched a perfect game. But taking LSD doesn't mean I could go pitch a perfect game. Dr. Crick already had some background in science, so it's not like I could take acid have found that model without the knowledge.

Acid seems to connect you with the emotional energy of the world, if you believe in the idea of auras, it is perhaps possible that the60s was a time when people had that 6th sense of connection with each other and the world. If you respect LSD, yes you should make an effort to promote its benefits.. You have to understand that in practice, logic and reason don't always follow the worlds POV, so if you'd like LSD to become legalized, we shouldn't promote the misuse of it.

 

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1427364/page//fpart/all/vc/1

Someone linked that the other day, and the thread was deleted, I think, hopefully it's acceptable if it's a reference in a thread, and not it's own thread? (if this is deleted, search for chinacat thumbprint on shroomery, and you should at least find a thread linking to it, that's how I found it just now) (I don't normally frequent shroomery, too many forums doesn't work for me and HF covers about all aspects of... everything, from drugs to hair)

I have read other similar reports on thumbprints (and some reports from people who would hardly feel them, and now have super HPPD, but that's because they spent years dosing so hard every day, that after a while there was always crystal around and they'd just thumbprint because of massive tolerance, instead of taking it in the context chinacat explains, which also involves massive tolerance and experience beforehand, but not to that degree)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure if everyone takes a drug with the potential to make the wannabe spirituals downright superstitious, you're right, the whole 60's time period was full of superstitious, imaginary, auras and vibes :2thumbsup:

No, the pitcher was NOT one of those guys you talked about earlier who utilized LSD to channel his talents, I've read his personal take on it, he was going to take acid with his girlfriend and got a call that he was pitching, got on a plane on acid, and was tripping (and I guess by that time coming down and tired and whatnot) and couldn't pitch for shit, and didn't know much of what was going on. They couldn't hit his shit cause it was so unpredictably bad. He threw a LOT of balls, I believe.

And.... another one bites the dust? Seriously, pay some attention to the drugs, where they come from, what they do, and why they do it, before taking them and becoming a superstitious acid casualty..... Talking about vibes and auras without even knowing where acid comes from makes you sound very much like those people who's behavior you blame for acid being banned in the 60's.

 

wish I could.. wish I could..

 

As far as Dock Ellis goes, Throwing a no hitter is incredibly difficult anyhow, he was wild in the game but that's a weak argument Roorshack, there are tons of pitchers that are wild and get fucking raked on the mound in the Major Leagues. As someone who was a pitcher throughout my youth and has also experienced the power of LSD, that is an unbelievable achievement imo. I played one game stoned and the reaction time and flow of the game was extremely skewed for me and shit I couldn't even imagine going out there as a pitcher, which is probably the most cognitive position in baseball, on a head full of acid and shutting down a team for 9 innings.

 

I honestly know nothing about sports, and have never played baseball. I'm just going on what he personally said in an interview (or short writing or statement of his, I don't remember) that I read. At any rate, it seems apparent that he was not using some LSD superpower to concentrate and pitch, from what he said he was only vaguely aware of much other than wanting the game to end.

I mean, I do realize it takes skill AND luck to throw a no-hitter in professional baseball. But even from what he said, it seems he was heavy on the luck, and very much out of it.

 

Now now, no need to get excited everyone. I'm doing two of these hits today at ~2. I'll let you know how long it lasts.

 

Ya, what's your take on that? I've read a few different versions of the story. He was on the tail end, mostly over part of the trip? Full on?
I find it hard to believe that someone could be effective in that scene full on peaking. I never came across a story convincing me one way or the other.

No doubt it is very rare and difficult, but I've wondered why they credit the pitcher with a no-hitter when its really the whole team that makes it happen. Even if it does take great pitching talent.

 

Does anyone know how much he was even on?

But my take is that with most sports, the captain or quarterback gets most of the credit. I never actually watch sports, but those or the only names I could tell you. Being In Colorado, all I hear about is tebow!! But he alone can ruin or win the game... Being the pitcher is a pretty big deal though, I don't know if his story would have been as wild if he were an outfielder or so, he's being watched nearly the whole game there's a lot of pressure on him already!

 

I don't know where in his trip he was at, from the brief commentary I've heard it seemed like the latter half of the trip, regardless an amazing feat. The closest I ever got was a 1 hitter in high school, sober and we played 7 innings instead of 9, so I have much respect for that accomplishment.

It is a team effort and any respectable pitcher will thank his team first thing. But as Black Lotus said the pitcher is sort of the captain of the team in the field, the pitcher sets the tempo and sets the game in motion. Going back to that issue about him being wild, I'll bring up some points that make the whole ordeal that much more surreal to me, usually when a pitcher is wild two things tend to happen: the fielders starting becoming lax in the field and may not react to a hit ball as well and the pitcher starts to overcompensate and just try to throw strikes as opposed to hitting specific spots. So the pitcher may take a little bit of speed off his pitches, slowdown his delivery and instead of aiming say for a specific high and inside location of the strike zone, he'll just try to throw it somewhere in the strike zone in hopes to regain his control, accuracy, and composure, also when a pitcher walks batters they have to throw from the stretch as opposed to a full wind up and many starting pitchers are much less effective throwing from the stretch, so this is commonly the time when the opposite team starts getting hits off wild pitchers.

this latter issue particularly interests me and could perhaps provide some insight into certain ways that LSD affects cognition. It's difficult to extrapolate much from the Dock Ellis incident being however many years ago it was and all but I've thought of things Like maybe he didn't have that overcompensation aspect kick in to 'just throw strikes' and kept trying to pinpoint pitches at all cost and that kinda threw the hitters off and everything. Whatever happened worked amazingly well lol but I guarantee a pitcher couldn't get away consecutive games with that type of mentality and I would not be surprised if he possibly tried another game on LSD that he doesn't really mention. Because honestly if I found a drug that I threw a no hitter on I would without a doubt be repeating that drug for another game lol, we can just look at popularity of steroids among Batters in recent years in baseball to see that. I know there was alot of baseball jargon here but I hope some of it made sense.