Punk---Hippie's Adversary

Yea, establishment politicians do that too........

 

Well if you take the most extreme example of a 'hippie' and the most extreme example of a 'punk' there will either be a clash there or they'll end up having sex.

Everybody's pretty much the same, just different defense mechanisms.

 

I am both, can you deal?
Peace by heart, anarchy by choice

 

Punks resemble hippies in that they want to "tear down the establishment". But as far as I can tell, that's the only tie. And as far as I can tell, everyone who's not a hippie uses hippie as a pejorative term.

 

what?



anyway it doesnt really matter all the countercultures sort of fed off one another in a way


you had jazz which influenced the beats
the beats influenced the hippies
early punk was just fucking bugged out hippies(mc5,stooges,velvet underground,patti smith)
and so it continues on
its the same fuck your society mentality its just changed to follow the clock

 

Have you ever seen the cover of Sham 69's "If the Kids are United"? It's got all these different labels, 'punk', 'hippie', etc....all scratched out. So I know there's one example of a classic punk band not being into all this division.

Punks aren't really the enemies of the hippies...it's just intelligent people vs. stupid people, just like it's always been... The intelligent people being those people who see you as an individual and not a label.

 

I think the Punk movement and Hippie movement are more like comparing apples and oranges. The only thing similar about them is that they're both countercultures, and that's about it.
Hippies were a rejection of the sort of Walt disney envisioned, Chevy buying Suburban middle class family, a rejection of the "high and tight" buzzed hair, the quasi-military style of clothing men were wearing, and ultimately a rejection of the militancy of the US government vis-a-vis the East, the communist countries, embodied at the time by the entire Vietnam affair.

Punk started in England as a reaction to the recession in that country. The entire British steel industry more or less collapsed, most of the auto industry fell apart or was liquidated and sold to the Japanese (except British Leyland, which only survived as a living corpse by being taken over directly by the UK government), and the economy of the country was almost bankrupt. Unemployment was staggering, and was skyrocketing. And a lot of young men found ways to vent by making horrible noise with their guitars and complaining and lamenting, and they hated what was on the radio. Punk was(and still is) more about music than was the hippie movement, and it eventually gave rise to (my favorite) the Gothic movement, which was post-punk and post-industrial, and focused on the decay, the negativity and the rot of western society. Punks and hippies really wouldn't get along, because they're in different wavelengths, and in completely different worlds in many ways. But that's just my impression...

 

punks are the counter hippie. it (hippie) became stale and burnt out. punks came and are giving oxygen to a whole new activist movement. though their are many types of punks ranging from street punks to crust punk, all forms revolve around a rebellious movement of autonomy and anti-authoritarian.

anarchists are not nihilist. punk rock isnt "talentless." way to be cliche. and it isnt always about talent. any punk band is more entertaining live than some hippie jam band.

 

punk started in america. and has many hippie ties (anti society, anti racism, solidarity of the people etc) but has a lot of skinhead ties too (working class pride. violence. drinking). punks are way less authoritarian than most skins and (most) are more radical than hippies.

 

yeah that's how i look upon it too

 

I'm somewhere in between punk and hippie...sometimes I even have my goth days, grunge days, anime lovin' days, gamer days, and pirate/rogue days...we're all mixes if you really think about it...

I don't think punks hate hippies...where I come from, we all get along.

 

A few of my friends are what you could describe as punk and one of them is one of the nicest people in the world. I am very hippie i think and AFAIK they don't have any problems with me. so i don't think thats very true. and though i don't nessacerily like the violent image that is usually associated with punk music and punk people, i don't know much about the culture so i am not one to make judgements. (well i try not to make judgements if i know what i'm talking about anyways)

JOn

 

punks are basically a different counterculture.
hippies just came first, and punk just filled in the gaps. While hippies tend to be more about "love and peace", punk is all about raw agression in their music. My friends dont get why I like punk so much since most of them try so hard to be stereotypical hippie potheads. I tell them that some people just like aggresive music, and that they should accept it.

Then again half the time they would rather just go to some jam band concert and get stoned rather than get drunk at a punk rock show.

but then again, most of them are just fucking posers anyways. They would label themselves as hippie but one guy would only talk about how he wants to beat up some guy and blah blah blah.

you get the point.

 

I think a main tenet of punk is anti-establishment, anti-mainstream, which has a lot in common with hippies. Punks and hippies have a lot of shared ideas/ideals but just expressed differently. Enemies they are not.

 

Punks and Hippies arent enemies. They are so similar, yet so different. Punks tend to be more in-your-face approach while hippies try a more peaceful approach when it comes to rebellion. Kinda like punks are urban hippies.

Crusties (like me) and peace punks are basically hippies with mohawks (well if and when we do have mohawks). I believe in peace, anti-racism, anti-homophobia, and that stuff, but with a more aggresive attitude and music.

 

Hold up there dude that's just about different vibe, and that's where to stop the shit.
A typical human activity is turning against eachother in a built up rage, over meaningless shit, after throwing all into circulation against very meaningful shit.
Let's not start turning this into a blowout, investing in the sentiment of being enemies with our founding bretheren. We all still bretheren before we be anything thematic, ka-peesh!

 

we all stem from people trying to express themselves. we're all the same.

 

you guys. the thing is, punks don't give a fuck about talent. they don't give a fuck. and you might say that makes them talentless, which i suppose is a weak spot in the whole punk thing, but a true punk would not give a fuck. and i'm not sure a "hippie jam band"'s number one aspiration is to entertain everyone.

 

Correct, it's to feed a vibe and never let go, which in my oppinnion makes gg allin God O f the arts, as artless as he made it, it was still artistic underythms nontheless, and only pussies, fakes and sell outs will say anything less.
FUCK YOU to all the panzies out there.
Go through the motions with actual intent and see what makes of it.
Like stated by those who gg called pussies, yet drummed for nontheless before comming into his own,
Let's test your threshhold of pain and see how long you last!"
Fuck you if you don't cuz that means back to preschool.
By the way placeboaddikt, I love you!
Raunch!

 

I think that its more of a "do-it-yourself" type attitude with punk regardless of being taleted or not. It was to start their own scene, with their own music, rather then supporting the corparate music industry and the whole media machine of fame and celebrity. Hippies are kinda the same in that regard.