Pulling Out Cancer

When you come into my thread and call me a quack and dis the whole herbal kingdom and my Teachers whom have done more good then you could ever imagain, I do take it personaly. I don't waste my presious LOVE LOVE LOVE on fireants.
As far as doctors being human, aren't healers human too. That's what I mean about being a jackass. You spout off about things you know nothing about. You are disrespectfull and rude. Do I call you a gallent young man, no, why? because your not. Why do I feel this way? Because of you insolance..

 

The ones Shameless learned from are frauds???? Hmmm...I guess that makes me a fraud also, because I have taken instruction from some of these sources, including Hannah Kroger, one of, in my opinion, the best healers of our time (and one who I worked with personally for a short time). The doctors don't have an investment in learning about herbal healing, although many of them I believe are compassionate, there is still that issue of "bottom line"...what would happen to Western allopathic medicine if everybody used, and was healed by something like black salve?? Some of these proud doctors would be out of a job if they couldn't prescribe their expensive chemotherapy treatments (that are highly controversial, have unpleasant side affects, and often don't work). Different things work for different people. I would far and away work with someone like Shameless if I had cancer than someone from the medical establishment. There are ways of treating people holistically. There are ways of treating just the disease that are unpleasant and deadly in their own right. All of us have the right to make our choices as to what treatments we wish to use (unless the govt. steps in and tries to take those choices awat from us, for their own profit). The idea of choice is why we are all here, yes? You have your opinions, Gate, I have mine. Choosing one thing over the other (either as a patient or practitioner) doesn't mean either one of us is a fraud. I believe that Shameless is a qualified herbal practitioner. You have other ideas about treatments you prefer. That's life...

 

shameless,
I just think with the right mix on current medicine and herbal medicine alot can be achieved. U said yourself that pride was using pain meds received from a doctor.There are herbal pain killers arent there? So not all medication is bad. I know Im babbling, just dont want people to give up totally on advanced medicine.

 

there is still that issue of "bottom line"...what would happen to Western allopathic medicine if everybody used, and was healed by something like black salve??

we would have a cure for cancer,they would restrict it's use and it would be expensive.If it worked the drug companies would be the first to commercialize it and make lots of evil money...And what's all this profit the government is making off of western medicine?

 

There is a time and place for doctors. If I break my leg take me to the doctor. If I have an organic situation get me to thy healer.
It's really not the doctors that plauge me, but the pharmicuticals that are KILLING us. There are pain meds derived from herbs/plants. Like Morphine from the Poppy. Asprine also come from plant, White Pine.
Doctors do what they are trained to do. Push Pill from the giant pill makers. These doctors do not have a clue as to what these DRUGS do to the human body and brain. They just give them to you to see if they will work. Most of them do not work and do irreversable damage.
The drug companys are the culprits, the doctors are just their puppets, and we, GOD help us are their guinie pigs. I don't know when AMERCIA will wake up and smell the death lurking in these bottles of pills. European countries use and have used herbs for healing. The US it up the pharmicutical companys ass about as far as it can go. Walking hand in hand with the insurance companys. The Pharm cos. own the insurance cos. and all the kings men have their fingers in the pie.
Here try this pill and you'd better go ahead and take this one too because that other one may kill you, and wait here's this one to counteract what thoes others do.
Really folks, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. And if america will pull it's head out of the drug companys asses we might make them change their ways. If we refuse to take their posions, pehaps they will make safer products and they wont kill your family off like they did mine. They know the durgs they make kill people and yet the Gov lets them go ahead and send them out to the public. To me this is MURDER because they knew it before hand and did not warn us. And to address this, not warnning us? why should we have to have a warning, why is it leathal. WTF is going on. Here take this pill, if it doesn't kill you we'll put in on the market, ohh what the hell even if it does ill a few thousand people we can still make the money till they get wise and pull it from the shelves. This my friends is my personal war on drugs. Thoes ones that advacate for the drug companys and stand pompusly on their soap box spouting out and glorifying the true drug lords.
People, you are being 'hoodwinked' pull off the vail from your eyes and take a closer look. Really we must do something NOW before we all become zombies of the Gov.
SH

 

shameless,
There are plenty of meds out there that are helpful not hurtful. Have u ever taken an antibiotic or do u only stick to herbal meds? I agree with u that the drug companies are fucked up, but they do make useful meds too. As for herbal remedies I think they are useful also if u know what your doing. I did some research on black salve after reading your posts. It can be harmful to if not used the right way. (Telling someone to use it on there face then needing alot of surgery to reconsruct their face) So isnt that just like the drug companies and their meds? Bottom line is that everything has to be monitored not just used. Drug companies are evil out for the money but in my profession I also see the benifits. Thats all. If herbal meds were prescribed I would learn more about them in order to give them. Like I said before I think between meds and herbal remedies there could be a real solution.

 

Dear Blondgirl,
I feel you are sincere and you are one that helps not hurts. But let me ask you this. Have you been watching the news, they are pulling Cholorestol and autheritis drugs off the shelves left and right. They are indeed killing people, Baycol for one has killed 51,000 people world wide, my Mother was one of them. My mother in law now has a lawsuit against Viaox which has weakened her heart to the point of being bed ridden and feable, closer to death each day.
My neice's sister in law's liver exploded when she took tylenol and drank two beers. And here's a story for you. My hubby had to have surgery on his elboe and roter cuff and the doc gave him so much anistesia he almost died during surgery, why, because my hubby has longggggg hair and they thought him a drug user so they dosed him up, my hubb does not take drugs, never has.What was suppose to be an overnight stay turned into a two week stay and we were charged for the whole two weeks. Do you have any idea how much that costs. Try 27,000. I was outraged. After he was released, the doc left town and also left my hubbiy's shoulder butchered and he suffers more pain now then before the surgery. What happen if it doesn't work. Well you still pay pay pay, what happens if they fuck you up.. well you pay pay pay and do it with a smile. because after all they are doctors and they can do no wrong. BULLSHIT!! Have you ever tried to contact your doc after he cut the wrong leg off. He's out of town.. yea I bet he is. OOOHHH and what about all the drugs that doc are putting our children on. Like Retlin. There have beed studies by docs that proved that children who took retlin for hyperactivity causes them later to be dependant on Cocaine. This was also on the news so don't blast me.
Maybe I come on too strong, but I wish I had started screamming before they killed off my faimly.
The herbal kingdom would love docs to wake up and join them in healing instead of applying dangerous drugs to the situation. Even that lady that put the black salve on her face did indeed get rid of the cancer and is alive to tell about it. But they didn't add that in their comdemnation of alternitive healing.
I don't know of any one that has died from the use of herbs ( and dont go throwing a bunch of urls at me showing deaths caused by herbs, bullshit.), they may get a healing sickness as the toxins are pulled from the tissue and put into the blood stream to be eliminated. This sickness last from one to three days, and has NEVER killed anyone. Now on the other hand, if you take certian herbs with certian meds it could put you in danger, because the meds are posion, not the herbs.

 

Well shameless all I can see is agree to disagree. I'm not going to fight withu over this its really not wirth it.

 

shameless, you'Re so right about pHarmaceutical companies doing more harm than good. they make so much money exploiting people.

 

Nimh,
It's not the money they make that worries me, but the death that they bring. I know they are in it for the money, but the consquences from injesting these cures are far more dangerous then the disease itself in most cases.
There are some that get relief temperarly, but over time the chemicals distroy more then they help.

 

Blondgirl,
It's our choice for right now as to which method of healing we want for ourselves. The gov is now making plans with the Pharm cos. that HERBS will now be in prescription form and you'll only be able to get them from the docs and the true drug lords. Altered of course.
How many more rights will we be stripped of before it's all said and done.
You will no longer be albe to plant and grow any herb, you will be arrested for growing roses, violates, peppermint or even dandilions.
I can see them now with their black shinny helmets and tear gas tearing up my garden and draging me off to jail for posession of Rosemary. We have got to draw the line somewhere. We are running , pushing, and shoving to get to the front of the line of the slauterhouse begging for more posions to injest. The things that do help us they take away from us and replace them with their rendission of it and make you like it.
What kind of life will we have if we have no rights. Will we all become slaves of the state, taking little happy pills to keep us in line. Will we be allowed to love whom we choose or will that to be their dicission to make for us.
Will it come to the point that they will just start cloning us and we wont have any need for physical contact anymore. They have already taken GOD away from us, we can't have anything that makes us happy or feel good that is real and not out of a pill factory. All for the lust of money, power and greed. Will we become as sheep to work for the MAN and die for his cause and not our own. Eating and drinking what they decide is what we want. Will we soon be living in chambers with no human emotion or LOVE LOVE LOVE.
I would hate to think that is all my life is worth, or my grandbabies destiny to become mearly worker/soliders for the gov. It's insanity. We are living in the last days indeed. Life as we know it is headed for disaster, it's time to choose which side of the fence your standing on and do something to keep the changes from distroying the last part of humanity we have.
I for one, do not intend to be run by no stinking posion pill pushers that distroys lives and murders innocent people. Now they want to take what we eat and drug it up so they can control us. Not me brothers and sisters, I will not vote them into office. If we make through the next four years, maybe we'll come out of it with some knowledge of what NOT to vote for next time around and who not to look up to as commander and chief.
If we do not help ourselves then who will?!?!?

 

Hey man you got any oregano,i'm having liver failure.It's okay though i'm getting a lobotomy next week and i have plenty of leeches until then.Voodoo medicine founded only in hearsay.At least the indians used to kill their shaman if they failed to heal.Used to be one would get wounded,get staff and die.Where were the herbs?Penocillin fixed that problem.People are living longer and healthier lives.Why?Herbs have been around for years.Yes they are a choice,but so then is eating dirt or slapping dog shit on oneself,neither having anything to do with healing.

 

well shameless,
being one of those"pill Pushers" I suggest u never get sick, or need surgery, or even break a bone. Because if you went to the hospital or a doctor u would be contradicating yourself. I believe u said before if u broke a bone u would go to the doctor. Don't u have the cure for that too with your herb remedies? I agreed with you about herbs being helpful, but u turned this into something personal. I am proud of what I do. I love helping people even saving there lives. So you do it your way and I will do it mine. ok.

 

As a medical professional i'm sure you've seen the army of pharmacy reps.The gifts they bring and the lunches they buy.The system is totaly messed up,it could be much better,but it squeaks by.A minor miricle but it does.The medical profession also has love.It's human nature.They (you)had enough love to spend the time and trouble it took to educate yourself in order to do the best you can to provide for the rest of us.A lot of research has gone behind your education,including the use of herbs.Most doctors if they safely can will use drugs only as a last resort

 

You people seem to be angry at me because I choose to heal with herbs.. I am just telling you the truth. NOT MY truth, but the truth for all mankind. I am ending this now. as this thread was to bring a new light on an old subject.
Blondgirl, are you trying to tell me your a doctor..some more BS. A web of lies will only intrap you.
You are free to think what you want, for now. Good Luck having that freedom later, when you get your way and ban herbs.
When the Pharm cos take over the herb kingdom then every one will be running to get them, but they will be tampered with and posoined as the other meds they pump into you.
But again that will be your choice, or will it.

 

Most of the docs are in it for the money and so they can write scripts for themselves and their friends. I know alot of docs and that is the case 8 times out of 10. I've spent more time in hospitals then out of them. I was privie to a lot of behind closed doors activity. I was there day and night for months on end for 25 yrs. I don't speak of what I know nothing about like gate68, I don't go around trashing honest people. But I can smell a LIE a mile away and can see bullshit walking.

 

I'm not angry,i just don't think you should practice your bullshit on living things.You claim to know everything about just about everything.Jack of all trades master of none.Leave the doctoring to the doctors,the true healers of our time.

 

shameless,
I never said i was a doctor. Im an RN. Ive told u that before. So Im the queen of "pill pushing" arent I. Ive told u before I BELIEVE IN HERBS do u hear me now shameless. I also think meds are useful. U read peoples posts and only hear what u want. Ive never put down your practice, just wanted the people to see the good in modern medicine. Since most people bash it.

 

Gate,
I'll do and go where I please. You can't tell me how to act. I have a birthright to heal myself and others. I also am certified to do so. If you don't like what I have to say, stay out of my threads. I don't go into your threads. Leave my threads or I'll have you removed. If you don't like me that's fine. I don't care. But get off my donkey, it aint big enough for the both of us. Your about two steps away from being banned already with your rude self and nasty remarks.

Blondgirl,
RN's don't prescribe or manufacture medications. They only administer them with doctors orders.
I do think that your getting closer to the truth. Herbs and modern medicine can work together if the doctors would get over themselves and just heal and read what the package says and decide if they want to be involved in this mass killing.
I have nothing against nurses. I went through nurses training. I was in my second year when I decided hospitals were not for me
My Mother was an RN and believe doctors were GODs and they ended up killing her.
I have my reasons why I dispise the medical profession. They are my reasons and I have to live with the choices I make, as do you.
I have nothing against you personally. I am working out my own grief in my own way. My battle is with the parmacutical companies. The Posion Pill manufacturers and their research or lack of it. Even you must addmit that they are killing people by the thousands. It's all over TV and raido. Yet you want to take me down. I'm into saving lives not doping people up so the gov can control them.
Do you want your child taking a pill that you need a medical dictionary to desifer(sp) the warnning lables which are pages long. Do you want to give your granny (Baycol) a cholestrol reducer that may or may not kill her. Or perhaps you would like to give your daddy a posion pill for his artheritis(Vioxx). Do you see what I'm getting at Blondgirl. My fight is not with you sweetie. I just get all wound up when I think what these same pills has done to distroy my family. I think if it would have happen to you, you would feel the same way I do about it. You can never understand the pain and dispare I and my family have suffered at the hand of these murderers. Can't you see,They are not about the healing, they know it's going to kill people and they just don't care. They want the MONEY. Bottom line.
Peace to you Blondgirl. I am not on you case.

 

So you're in charge of these forums now.i don't dislike you,i dislike what you do,your downing true health professionals,while you sit there in your self rightousness claiming to be the better person.Please explain how black salve works in a true scientific way.How does cancer leak through a hole in the body?What is this parasite that causes cancer?Ever been to a free clinic?These doctors work for free.Why do they use prescription drugs and not black salve?What about doctors without borders.Is money their bottom line? No unfortunatly all you did was prolong your friends illness in order to feed your own ego.Kinda sad really.