Psychedelic Bump XXXIV

Ive heard of the cluster headache thing, and there are medications used to stop and/or prevent migraines that are somewhat similar in chemical structure to LSD; i.e. their structure contains features of the structure of the lsd molecule.

Psyches, specifically LSD usually make me feel kinda sore in the muscles, especially back and neck at the end of it. IME most of the 5HT psyches give me these sides, usually not bad enough to really complain about but I do notice it. If my muscles were sore before tripping (due to exertion etc), they will likely be more noticeably sore afterward. Not sure the reason for this, but its not unheard of.

I wonder if they could have a psychosomatic effect on pain, I mean we all deal with some degree of aches and pains, if you focus and dwell on it its going to feel worse but distract yourself by getting involved in other things and you might not even notice or really "care", and your mindset and mood at the time can have an effect on the perceived intensity of pain. I think maybe at least part of the perception of pain is psychological, and psychedelics can have positive effects on ones psychological outlook if used appropriately (set and setting). Of course the oppose is possible as well (a bad trip), which is why set and setting is important and to not trip when stressed out, worrying or feel depressed, or in an inappropriate environment where you are at risk of receiving negative influence from your environment (e.g. teenage kid dropping acid and tripping at school is likely to have a bad trip). IMO LSD is pretty friendly and forgiving compared to some others like 2CT7, or even mushrooms where it is easier to get pushed over the edge past which you lose control over the experience in a negative way.

 

amanita for pain relief..

 

never tried those, ive been interested before but they seem to have some pretty harsh side effects and from what i've heard dosing properly is kinda sketchy.

they have a unique mechanism of action, acting on GABA receptors, most gabaergic drugs arent psychedelics (think xanax and other benzos which are pretty much trip killers) ... but then have the "non-benzodiazepines" or "z-drugs" like ambien, et al which are used for some of the same purposes as some benzos (their hypnotic effect) and they act mostly similar to benzos but have additional trippy effects which are quite interesting and unique.

I wonder if the amanita trip experience has any resemblance to the psychotomimetic effects of z-drugs like ambien...

 

took 3 hits about 12 hours ago. The other person didn't want to take any, for fear that it would cause psychotic reactions, due negative experiences she had on certain RC psyches, nbome I think and DOB. I tried to reassure her of how friendly LSD is, but I ended up taking 3, didn't want to take 4, i'd rather take 4 with the other person tripping, but the 3 hits was pretty intense, there was one point where I got stuck for second, like I was on the edge of ego loss, and couldn't see a damn thing, with little chance of being able to navigate my surrouding environment, but this was transient. So at least I had willing sober trip sitter, and we both had fun, entertaining each other

We went on a walk through a park, when I was coming up with the tabs on my tongue, when I got back shit was getting pretty intense, we then watched the movie "hackers", after which a certain amount of time she appeared to be sleepy, and had lost interest in the movie presumably because she was more interested in me than the movie. I was able to sense something like (in computing terminology) the TCP 3-way handshake, or more specifically a very similar type of handshake except applied to human sexual arousal and behavior. After the "handshake" we had to complete the transaction. Then she sprang to life and was able to maintain attention to watching the movie. I think she really liked the movie (its one of my favorites, epic!) ... that movie really fits my personality; and I'm sure she learned something from that movie, and bit more about my personality and who I really am as a person as well. I wish she had dosed too, so she would have been able to be on the same page as me, but this went down flawlessly .. maybe next time she'll be down, as so noticed now relaxed and calm I was, she seemed to somehow pickup a contact high or something where she claimed she felt trippy despite not having dosed, probably purely psychological. She's just never had real LSD I don't think and doesn't get it that lsd is special, and no other psyche comes close, lsd is just so much serenity and bliss, and marval.

I got one hit left, maybe next weekend I can find somebody that is experienced tripping, and also has a few hits extra on hand so can we can both take a decent dose.

I also have all the "depleted tabs" ... I plan on taking all of them at once one day just to see if there's any lsd leftover where I might notice threshold effects but I expect there will be little if any.

Anyone know how long you have to keep a tab in ur mouth get the full effects. I usually keep it in till it kicks in fully, but say I only kept it in for 30min, when the effects are just becoming noticeably significant ... would I be losing any LSD, or is 30 minutes long enough that by that time the whole dose is already in my system.

edit: i think she had taken some supposed lsd before on one occasion, but which turned out to be some RC.

 

There is a lot of variability and as you say set and setting. I've heard it said about mushrooms, never heard that about 2ct7 on here. I only tried 2ct7 once but it was a high dose, tried it based on the apparently accessible character of 2ct7 and I found it pretty forgiving mentally, made me kind of nauseous at points but I wasn't on this unrelenting manic analytical mode like I get on LSD sometimes. If I were to take my 'mean' acid trip, I found 2ct7 quite a bit easier to handle.

 

To be fair, when I took 2ct7 and had a pretty difficult trip, I was in a relationship, and I don't think she was really "cool" with me doing psychedelics. So she gave me negative vibes, probably intentionally .. bad set and setting. That's not the only time I tried 2ct7, some of the other trials were pretty fun ... but yea the nausea is pretty bad and IIRC usually ended up with me having to puke, possibly more than once during the experience. Been quite a long time since i've seen any 2ct7 though, this was maybe 8 years ago or something like that.

 

Yah been awhile for me too with 2ct7. There were a couple members on here a few years ago who really enjoyed it, kind of sold me on the high level of euphoria and strong visuals.

It was a solo trip for me, Perhaps the oddest thing to me was this 'corporate' feeling to it, like I was thinking CEO's doing that stuff behind closed doors, wasn't really the humbling mental quality I think characteristic of most psychedelics.

 

Its a pretty peculiar and unique chem. Most noticeable were the visual effects, with very convincing "life like" visuals, for examples seeing faces of cats and cats popping out of stuff, leaping out through the wall thing.

 

Lol, I'm laughing over here reading that but only from the perspective of having been through many trips. I am having mental images like below but I can see how those types of perceptions could be pretty difficult on a heavy trip.

 

Bump for 200 Ugs AL-LAD

 

AFAIK i've never tried that one. How does it compare to LSD?

 

30 minutes is overkill. LSD is absorbed very quickly through the mouth. A few minutes is plenty. You could even swallow the tab right away and it would work it would probably just take a little longer.

 

This is what I expected, the entire dose is probably already in my blood before I even begin to notice the effects.

 

Well the way I'm going to start off describing this might not be the best but bear with me. For the sake of simplicity in description to how close is it, if Al-LAD were passed off to an unsuspecting individual who had never heard of it, AL-LAD could "pass" as LSD I'm pretty sure. (Not suggesting to do this) For A rough estimate, I'd say my 200 ugs AL-LAD was probably on par with 150 ugs LSD.

I like Al-LAD a lot, it's pretty intense but slightly turned down a notch compared to LSD in some respects. I tend to get borderline manic sometimes on LSD like I'm going over the edge of sanity, or if not that I always feel I have to wander around and I've not really had that with Al-LAD, it's more gradual and spacey. However Al-LAD for the most part seems to lack the spiritual, self-transcendent quality of LSD, I find it more emotionally focused, which I think can be very important in it's own right. For instance, I felt this trip was cathartic and it basically prompted me to have some New Years Resolutions a few weeks early, so very valuable stuff.

Visually, the color intensification and certain mental juxtapositions of stimuli pale compared to LSD, however there is really fascinating spatial affects, like I looked at a mirror and it reflected off some other object and then there were what seemed like a labyrinth of intricacies of realms that appeared to go on forever. Closed Eye Visuals are pretty awesome as well, I didn't spend a whole lot of time with Closed Eyes but when I did, there were some pretty impressive designs and figures that developed.

AL-LAD has some recreational appeal, I have taken it at a show and a rave before and I probably prefer it to LSD for recreation but there is a grandiose quality to LSD which Al-Lad does not really seem to compare to. So yah with that said Al-LAD definitely has a place for me.

 

Hey guys. I haven't been posting as much obviously, but I've always stayed updated on all of your posts here. I figured I'd give you guys an update on me. It comes with some apprehension, as I'm not really proud of it, but I trust and love you guys so I figured I'd let you know what's up and see your thoughts or suggestions if you're willing.

Some of you may remember my attachment to MXE about three years ago. It was pretty habitual, although I don't feel like it caused me to get severely depressed or fuck up my life. I had a 9 month break where I let you guys know I had stopped. But after that, I got back on it and has been pretty constant in my life ever since. I tried hiding it from my girlfriend and parents but you can't hide it for long. My speech on it is a dead giveaway. I repeatedly went back to it when I said there was no more, often thinking "OK just get in the experience while you can" since the manufacturing has halted overseas, making it difficult to find here. I stocked up thinking that I could hold onto it for a long time and dose once every couple weeks but I lacked the self control. Got caught so many times, it's ridiculous.

So eventually it became apparent I have a severe lack of self-control. Even when not on MXE I would be on low amounts of kratom. My family and gf had enough and suggested therapy, but once I kept doing more it finally resulted to suggesting rehab. I'm at home for the holidays, but I start rehab on Monday (after Star Wars...I'm lucky). With all the connotations behind rehab, I was pretty apprehensive. But now I've come to accept that at least I'll have a month break from most of society- cell phone, internet, etc. It will be great to have an extended period of time to talk out my thoughts, find underlying causes for my use, read books, meditate, form new relationships, stay off everything, etc. At least I show my family I'm willing to work to maintain a clearer head. It's a pretty nice facility...I just hope it's not too conventional and out for my money. I wish I could find a more holistic healing approach but I'm on a time scale...trying to start in a few days and make it out in time just for next semester of school. Despite all my use, I was able to get all A's in all 5 of my classes and maintain my 4.0 so that felt rewarding at least.

I wish I had taken a psychedelic within the past year and a half but I just never felt the right set and setting. Now it really kills me because... my girlfriend accidentally revealed to my mom and step-dad my stash of RC's. Lost all 12 or something of them - 4-HO-MET, 4-AcO-DMT, 2C-E, 2C-I, miprocin, HOT-7, proscaline, LSZ, moxy, etc. Knowing that great collection of a plethora of doses that I worked so hard to obtain when they're not available anymore is very unsettling. I can find some liquid or mushrooms or make my own so that's an option when I feel like I'm ready again...could be awhile, but I definitely know the therapeutic effects are worth it.

I'm so lucky to have the support I do. I can't believe my girlfriend would want to stick around with me, but despite all my secrets, she is understanding and loves the hell out of me. Very lucky to be with her. Same with my parents. They don't understand drugs at all, but they all let me know they're supportive and understand, and they just want me better.

So there's that. I hope I can begin to understand this aspect of me in a new way and address other aspects such as my dad's death almost 6 years ago, my social anxiety, and so forth. I'm still a very happy person, but I don't want intense, habit-forming drugs to get in the way of my health, mental capabilities, relationships, and overall well-being. Thanks for those who read. I'll be on until the 19th and I will update you guys about a month from then. Much love

 

What about onset, duration and peak timelime? Similar to LSD or does it differ slightly (i know, these are hard things to really pin down when you're tripping)?

So you would say it's more "chill" than LSD? Because to me LSD is pretty chill out of all the psyches, but it does get me pretty pumped up sometimes and WTF just happened type moments. Like last time I did LSD we tried to watch a movie from my computer, and totally fucked up my display setup trying to get the video and audio output to go to the TV, so i just started swapping cables until the TV was the only thing connected forcing it to display there because it was the only monitor, but for some reason it still wouldn't work, so I took the same cable out of the tv and put it into one of my monitors and it worked, plugged it into the tv and it worked after some fuckery like that, go the movie up, then went for a walk, when I came back it didn't work so i started ripping cables out and could barely see what I was doing ... before realizing the obvious, that the display had gone to sleep (power save) .. duh. Getting the cable plugged back into the tv ... well I needed a flashlight and some help but somehow got the hdmi cable to fit in the socket lol. But those cables were a gnarly mess and very confusing.

Then realized that it was playing the latin audio track, and needed help selecting the English .... "It has multiple audio tracks, I can't read that shit, do you see one that says English anywhere !!??" ... lol.

 

do you mean that you hold the blotter in your mouth for 30 minutes and then remove it and save it as a "depleted tab"? that seems pretty unusual, although i have heard of a guy who saved all of the hits that he ever took this way.
i have never done that with LSD (only once with 25i-nbome). i always swallow my LSD after holding it my mouth for sometime. but like someone else said, you could swallow your LSD right away and it would work fine. i tend to hold it in my mouth out of habit, and maybe it hits faster that way, and i can see if it has a taste like it should NOT.

probably after 30 minutes, you have gotten most of the L out of the paper, but there is only one way to find out. eat all of the "depleted tabs" (swallow them) and see if you trip

from your description, it seems that i would prefer LSD, but the one thing about AL-LAD that does sound better is how you describe it as "less manic"

i have had this effect from LSD as well. one time i went to a Silversun Pickups concert and people were mosh-pitting and i got mad and punched a guy. he didn't care. then i got in an argument with my girlfriend on the ride home and got out of the car at night in an unfamiliar part of town. terrible idea. so yeah, i could use a little less "mania" sometimes on my LSD trips haha

 

I usually keep the tab(s) in till I'm peaking, or very near lol and then take it out. I usually go for a walk while I'm coming up, knowing that I could just swallow the tab(s) at any time if a situation arose and needed to get rid of the evidence (say, offficer dick asks me for directions to the post office or something ). I usually press it against the roof of my mouth to try to squeeze everthing out before removing the tabs, and do this every so often. I usually feel effects pretty quickly but it's hard to say when they really begin, last time I took 3 probably 5 minutes or so I was off baseline, but it really didn't start getting real until 45 minutes, then an extra 30 minutes and "it kicked in *for real*")I used to have a collection of tabs, several types of blotter, If i had enough of them I could make a collage or something lol.

I don't really think you can see it when talking to people, though it might make my speech a little funny, and I often visit stores and interact with the "public" while coming up, (after I've come up, if I'm in public and alone I put in headphones so I can't be bothered, or if I'm not alone and the other person insists on playing some shitty radio hip hop or someThing, which btw, any music played through a phones shitty speaker sounds like garbage) I've got 5 "depleted tabs", probably will have 6 soon, I will take them all on one day and swallow the tabs after about thirty minutes (cuz i'm not gonna suck on them for 60-90 minutes if I might not even trip from it anyway, I'd be so dissappointed and annoyed after putting in all the effort) ... but I'll make sure it's a "good day" to trip, just in case something does actually happen.

Is "depleted uranium" radioactive at all, even a little bit?

 

Good luck Popularity. I do remember reading about you and MXE. That and Ketamine really get a hold of some people. It's a high I can do a few times every now and then and leave it but I can see how some people want to feel that way all the time. Of all the drugs I have ever used nothing has made me crave another dose like that stuff.

 

at the latin audio track.. miras todos los colors bonitos.

I sensed initial alerts within about 15 mins but then it was a very gradual slope to peak at about an hour. The trip comes in waves so it'll be more full on tripping for awhile and then let up some, then come back up and repeat. I took a hit of weed about 4 1/2 hours into the peak and after that I didn't account for time but I think I fell asleep probably an hour or so later.

Yah, if you don't have AL-LAD try to be this or that, it's definitely a quality RC. It feel pretty clean too.