Psychedelic Bump XXXIV

I prefer the euphoria of MDMA over Mescaline and 5-MAPB by a lot, but with 5-MAPB my emotions can be kept more at bay in comparison to MDMA. 5-MAPB is stimulating but it comes on more gradual and feels like perhaps it doesn't release oxytocin in the same way, if we are to assume that oxytocin is primarily responsible for the collective intimacy quality of MDMA and 5-MAPB doesn't have quite as intense tactile enhancement either, so I wasn't really compelled to touch things.

In comparison to Mescaline, 5-MAPB doesn't have quite the same cosmic feeling which is where I get the bulk of my euphoria from that.

It started raining about halfway through my roll, so I didn't get to explore outside too much but I find 5-MAPB fairly neutral in terms of euphoria however a good song, visualizer or looking at the clouds as I mentioned provoked some really cool interpretation, appreciation and 'caressed' my mind. Cannabis provided slightly more visual phenomena but also made me more out of it, or the experience felt less clean.

It's enjoyable but doesn't offer anything really novel from the aforementioned chems, kind of reminds me of MDE, although I am intrigued to see the effects at a rave or show.

 

I don't think I'd ever try 5-MAPB, due to it not seeming like it particularly outshines other similar drugs. I was interested in 5-APB/6-APB after they became so popular as "Benzo Fury" (which is not quite a name which corresponds to drug effects, is it? lol). But yeah, I don't think I'll be making any big effort to try it anytime soon.

It could definitely be one of those drugs which is suited for a bit more stimulus though. Maybe a concert/rave or some camping or something.

 

6-apb was marketed as "Benzo Fury", part of the chemical structure is benzofuran, so it's not false advertising per se but probably a poor marketing strategy as the most common association of "Benzo" are benzodiazepines like Xanax or Klonopin.

I really enjoy 6-apb, that would probably be the one I recommend to try if one were interested in the Benzofurans and looking for a unique experience. It was more visual than 5-MAPB, but it similarly shared kind of a neutral headspace. 6-apb also had a duration as long as Acid or mescaline which was both good while on it but also had a slower rebound period, as where I find 5-MAPB less taxing on my body. I read a few times, perhaps the same poster on different forums that 5-MAPB mixed with a low dose of a stimulant and a low dose of tryptamine like 4-ho-met emulates MDMA pretty spot on. I don't really desire to have chems try to be other chems, but I might be interested in trying 5-MAPB with a low dose of a tryptamine and forego adding more stimulation. I wish that 6-MAPB was more readily available, I'm thinking that might be the perfect medium from what I like of these chems.


I also am glad that AL-LAD seems to be making the rounds again, I think a "candy flip" with these chems could potentially be interesting.

 

Hey, everyone.

It's been a while.

To those I know, know of and don't know...

And to those that know me, know of me and don't know me...

I truly wish you all the best in all your experiences throughout life.

I found this place about 5 years ago. I'm still here. You all are here. This means we have some things in common. There is a strong concentration of similarity and like mindedness here. That's beautiful.

From me to all of you: I hope the best and I hope that we all continue to grow in the way that we truly, deep down wish.


With Love,

Coolrunnings

 

I feel ya CoolRunnings. I'm not always here consistently, but I'm all for this place's vibes and the unique atmosphere it offers. I too send you best wishes.

 

Have any of you come across any research (or even anecdotal evidence) related to the use of psychedelics being used for pain management?

I'm specifically looking for info on rheumatoid arthritis and mushrooms, but am also interested in anything relating to pain and psychedelics.

Thanks in advance!

 

Ketamine can probably help with pain.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23432384/

There are some psychedelics which have analgesic properties and for instance mushrooms have been shown to help with cluster headaches, but sertonergic psychedelics also may make most more aware, so if they are more aware of their pain, I think that could potentially exacerbate it. I think the only psychedelic which may be able to manage pain effectively as say an opioid is ibogaine, however by most accounts that is a very long and intense trip, which is probably not very well suited for use more than a handful of times.

 

psychedelics and pain management are nil to nothing ... you may take some psilocybin and get some relief, but it wont be long lasting, and only under the influence will you not really feel any pain/ It will return. imo, only when real psychedelia is taking place will the limited pain effects be present. micro dosing will do nothing.. i wish bro, I wish....

 

I don't know of any psychedelic that can be used for pain management in a chronic inflammatory condition like RA. Disease management is the best option by far. There are some new drugs that can be more effective than older treatments.

Some people who have been involved in end-of-life care have experience with people who used psychedelics to change their relationship with disease and symptoms. There is no reason at all to limit those concepts and processes to people with cancer and related illnesses.

 

I've read a couple of anecdotal accounts online about people feeling relief from symptoms for anywhere from a few days to a week after tripping, but I think it is likely just a coincidence, since RA is not a consistent disease (in that pain and inflammation will come and go over time).

Thanks for the input, everyone!

 

Psychedelics can probably help with the psychogenic aspect of pain, at least for a short time after the trip. Opiates work on that level to some degree as well; they make us feel better emotionally, which helps to reduce pain/reduce the amplification of pain. So if you have a really good trip it might help to reduce your symptoms some, but that would be a transient effect of course.

I do notice that mushrooms in particular tend to allow me to stretch further than I normally would, so if you think that being able to stretch might help then mushrooms might be of use. Of course, I have no idea if other people get the same effect. And it's likely just a side effect of a generally higher pain threshold while tripping anyway.

 

I have used hallucinogens before but never to treat pain. :bandana: I have back pain sometimes from sciatica. I use edible marijuana supplements to treat the pain.

 

400mics

 

I always check in on this thread, and want to say that it's a pretty nice place to visit online. Everyone is nearly always respectful of one another. There are people who have less experience with RCs, some who have more or less the same experiences (like anyone could ever have the same experiences with this alphabet of substances), and some who have gone waaay farther. Everyone can mix together in this basically nice milieu. There's a lot of amazing experience here!

 

So did you dose 400mics?
How did it go?

 

Is anyone here going to Shpongle, Alex Grey, OTT in San Francisco?

 

I did it during the day, two different types, one was white on white and the other, idk what it's called but it had a print. They both claim to be 200mics but who really knows, it was 2 hits of acid. I meant to drop only one, just to test it, and then save the rest to share with someone else. About an hour in I thought I needed to drop a second so I did, took a walk through a park with lots of trees and paths, as the second one began to take effect (which was felt much sooner than the first, which is typical) I sat next to a big tree with my headphones in, enjoying the music and nature, and watching people. The headphones are also beneficial in that with them in I can't be bothered by anyone. I had to do it during the day, cuz my sleep rhythm is fucked up and if I stay up too late I won't be able to go to bed early than that time for a few weeks unless I stay up 24 hours then go to bed when I want to. In the afternoon, you get a little bit during the day, and then a little when it gets dark and can still get to sleep at a reasonable time. It was decently strong, I was able to pull multidimensional structures from my computer monitor running a strobe program, and the air around certain objects. With eyes closed I could reach a state of dissociation, where I could lose myself and any sense of what was going on around me, but couldn't quite get all the way there, as soon as I realized I had reached this state, I would snap out of it. It's like you have to focus on it, but ignore it at the same time and just let it take you and try your best not to let your mind interfere.

the fact that I took two that weekend now leaves me in a predicament, as next time I'd like to drop three, but if I share that would only leave one for the other person, which might not be enough. If we each dropped two, that might be okay if I dropped both at once, instead of staggering them ... but I'm the type of person that likes to take a lot of hits (i don't really do it that often anymore, but I like to get my moneys worth when I do). Actually, two would be pretty good, its just I like a lot of acid is all. I think the white on white might be better than the other, which is what we would take, but I can't know for sure cuz I never tried them both seperately. The way acid hits is always at first like you feel it pretty quickly, but think its never gonna do much more, then it seems like u wait forever and it slowly starts to become even more noticeable, sometimes it takes like 1 1/2 hours before it "really" kicks in, but its hard to pin down exactly when it kicked in ... I'd say almost immediately if your basing off any noticeable effects at all. Of course bigger doses seem to kick in quicker because the initial effects are bigger and more noticeable .. ya know.

the person might not even be down, or might be cool with just one, in that case I just get to eat 3 or 4 if I feel like it, or might have to change my plans and do it next weekend. I don't know if I'd rather eat a large amount of acid alone, or with someone that's not tripping, certainly not with lots of people not tripping, especially if I don't know them or they seem sketchy cuz that might fuck up my trip (or steal from me while I'm tripping). I'm also not really into the "10 heads full of acid in one place thing" either too much, done that, it's okay but not really my thing, things can get out of control easily, and I like to be in control of my trip. That's if I actually had the stated amount of tabs, I don't necessarily have any tabs so this could be pure fiction

 

those hits are probably more like 80 ug each.

 

The only medically confirmed application of psychedelics related to pain management, specifically psilocybin and LSD, is in the treatment of cluster headaches, but not through normal pain receptor influence.

https://www.google.com/#q=lsd+and+cluster+headaches

 

probably, thats why I said "who really knows" ... so yeah, it was two hits and I'd say ur probly right that they weree closer to 100 ug than to 200 mics. I had some hofffmann blotter one time (long) time ago where one tab would put ur dick in the dirt, and who knows if it was copycat or not, iirc there were a few iterations of that print. I've never actually dosed where I knew for sure without a doubt how many micrograms I had taken so dont really have a reference point to be able to judge from. It felt pretty "clean" though.