Psychedelic Bump XXIII

that is... kinds seems like it might look like more than it 'feels', seeing all on paper like that. seems like you have a knack for keeping notes on science experiments

haven't tripped since the Burn on labor day, and haven't really had the desire. that harsh 4 aces ass-whooping early in the year has had a long lasting effect on me, as well as this whole drastic shift in life circumstances and it's hard to say if it's been good or bad over all. i've had a few very long term friendships dissolve, which i feel bad overall about but subjectively, they were people whose values and actions just don't mesh with mine. on the other hand there are some new ones filling the vacuum, hopefully of better quality.

it's been 3 years since reintroducing myself to psychedelics and on the whole i feel it's been positive, but it's not pleasant to feel alienated from people when some of their (from my perspective) opinions and behavior turn my stomach. one side effect from the changes in my cognitive process has been to become pretty intolerant of intolerance. fucking dichotomies.

on the flip side i've been reaching out to the local art scene and meeting some folks. never know where things might lead to. i'm dabbling in led lighting with an eye towards learning DMX control and Arduino, working on my first real project, running SMD led strips around my living room windows.



send out positive holiday vibes to all you psy-bumpers... peace on earth.

 

I like the list pork! I too have one.

 

Bump for my first active-level trial of miprocin last night. 10 or 11 milligrams.

My observations: at this level, the come-up has the very familiar feeling of a psychedelic come-up to me--on a psychological level, though there were no perceptive changes. Very challenging and grinding (especially since this was my first trial I had the thought what have I done? am I sure what I took is safe? etc...a common issue for me). Once I was up (which took no more than an hour) I was able to recognize that the level was, indeed, very light...no hallucinatory activity of any kind, though the visual world was very vivid, and with eyes closed my visual imagination ran wild (especially vivid colors). After feeling well-established at the plateau level I felt comfortable venturing out, hanging out with my non-tripping friends, getting silly, etc. The plateau level, which was noticeable for about two or three hours, felt similar to just a high dose of weed (although less foggy than many weed-highs)...but a general disconnection of thoughts/trippiness/weirdness that wasn't quite "psychedelic" (again, attributable I'm sure to low dose).

In all, from this conservative starting experiment, I already feel enamored with this substance. Most of all I am in love with the rapid come-up and general short duration of the experience, which has many advantages in my mind. The only major con I noticed was a rather extreme body-load (some jaw-clenching and WAY more shivering/tremors/feeling cold than I've ever experienced on any other psych).

THREE QUESTIONS FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SHARE THE WISDOM OF THEIR EXPERIENCE:

(1) I plan to go again tomorrow (two days after the experiment related above). Last night's experience was mild enough that I feel no discomfort in tripping again two days later. However, I know I will be combatting tolerance. I would like to experience a "medium" dose...any thoughts on what dose to take, with a 48-hr tolerance coming off a 10mg dose, to achieve a "medium" or "light-medium" level?

(2) Anybody have experience with re-dosing miprocin? I know that with many psychedelics a supplement at a certain fraction of the initial dose, if taken at the right time, can extend the plateau level for a longer period. Anyone know if this is the case with miprocin and strategies for doing it most effectively?

(3) CLOSED-EYE VISUALS: what are they? I always wonder whether I am reporting effectively on my experiences. With eyes closed, do closed-eye visuals constitute actual things seen as if "before the eyes", or are they more like visual imagination happening "behind the eyes"? I have had many experiences of VIVID visual imagination with plenty of colors and patterns, but I can always still see the blackness of my closed eyelids "behind" it all, or in addition as it were. I assume this is what people mean by closed-eye visuals but sometimes I hear descriptions of experiences where the CEV's sound so much more concrete. Would love discussion on this point.

 

good luck to you voyage. you're an inspiration to me because i know that even when you're grown up and full of wisdom, life continues to throw you for a loop. shit never stops being interesting to say the least.

i like the list, popularity. much like my reports on here, it helps me remember the nuances of particular trips. i didn't start it when i first tripped though. those are lost to my youth.
there are only 13 more lines on that page. i can't start a page two!....


until 2015

the miprocin come up is a little jarring for me too. it's so quick, i feel it within 10 or 15 minutes of drinking the powder. i get shakes like i have excess (nervous) energy. but it settles into a nice trip. i prefer a dose of 18-20 mg. i've taken 18 mg and gone to a restaurant on the peak. might not be advisable, but to me that was a "medium" intensity trip. i actually think i've only ventured to "medium" for most psychedelics, miprocin included. i don't care to try more than 23 mg which is my max dosage so far. i don't rule it out, but 18-20 mg is really nice.

i've dosed friends with 14-16 mg for their first time, one 13 mg for her first real trip ever. so i would say you could try 15 mg or so.

2) no personal experience, but i asked this on BL. i think he said to take ~1/2 your original dose maybe 2 or 3 hours into it. the memory is pretty vague, maybe i'll try to look it up.

3) i think the blackness behind the CEV is "normal"
there of course are various levels of CEVs, those from DMT are quite encompassing. there isn't a lot of room for black behind it but much of the geometrical patterns are filled in with black. and some CEVs on 2ce, and LSD and others...are more in front of a black background.

i think my most instense CEVs though are more of an imagined story. it's when synesthesia has taken hold, so the visuals i'm having are part of the song that i'm feeling that's telling a story that i'm "seeing" with my imagination when my eyes are closed. i might be seeing images of flaming humanoid shapes cascading into one other while i'm hearing a song that seems to be describing the ascent of mankind. so the CEV just fits so nicely with everything else that's going on that i'm not sure when it ends and...'where the world begins'

 

felix: 70mg MXE is the highest dose I will do hehe. I've done 100mg just one time and said never again lol. way too much body stuff and the tail effects really end up lasting a while on higher doses. even 70mg is too much sometimes, can't even watch a Pixar movie because I can't follow the plot and don't understand why i am sitting in front of a box with moving pictures and where am i and what day is this and i think ill just lie down and not even turn the movie off because what the fuck. you know. :rofl:

I haven't tripped in weeks! can't even remember when my last trip was or what it was on, pretty crazy. planning a good size lucy trip for new years though.

 

Bump for some disassociatives. I had N-ethyl-norketamine and 3-meo-pcp today. I have explored different variations but I really enjoy dosing the NEK first and then staggering the 3-meo-pcp.

 

writer what kind of doses are you sitting on these days?

i've got ~7 hits of the plain white paper from a music fest
and 3 red stars left.

 

Guerr I can't remember if you've compared them before, but what's norket compared to ket?

pork if by doses you mean L then i have just short of a full sheet actually lol. but it's fairly weak. Been sitting on it for maybe close to a YEAR now believe it or not. along with quite a selection of phens and trypts, several of which i've never tried before. planning on taking around a strip in a few weeks and that will only be as strong as around 1 red shiva (forever the gold standard for me, for all time lol). but i'm not complaining

been really busy with college and my program can be extremely emotionally intense (dealing with rape, death, dying, abuse, grieving, crisis situations, palliative care etc) so my intoxications these days can't be too cerebrally unsettling because I'm exposed to some difficult things on a daily basis and still learning to grow with these topics and accept them deeply with my being. i'm learning to be a professional that those who experience these tragedies can come to for support and healing . . . i've turned down many a planned trip day because i thought 'theres no way i'm not spending this whole trip in the fetal position just trying to assimilate all these things in my mind and heart'.

I don't want to make it seem like my program is negative in any way; in fact they place a sometimes ridiculous emphasis on taking care of ourselves and on making us feel good and sharing and opening up and such, it's really like therapy in all honesty, and in fact my going to college is very much a dramatic therapy i am making myself go through to deal with my insecurity, social anxiety, sense of worthiness etc. So also in that sense my desire to trip the last year has been fairly low as the daily going ons are themselves quite deep. I am also learning tons of different theoretical approaches to understanding and dealing with these problems and clients so it is becoming less of a boogey man and more of a "Let me at 'em!!" mentality.

We watched this in our final class of the semester today, really funny and thought provoking thought about the nature and source of the kind of pain that often brings people to social workers. (20 mins)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCvmsMzlF7o"]Brene Brown: The power of vulnerability - YouTube

 

i'm happy for you and your new profession, man. nice job.

my profession is about as emotionally dull as it comes, so i'm still good to trip

i remember those weak hits from about a year ago...what's the print on them again? was it a red ganesha?

i remember those red shivas with much nostalgia as well. i only tried ~1.3 hits the one time, but oh was it magical!

but yeah those hits must be real weak for a 10 strip to roughly equal one red shiva. that's a lot of paper to eat!

 

Is MXE actually psychedelic? Still never done it. I used to think it was safer then ketamine but it seems people have the same bladder issues. And I am done with K I think. It just makes me sick and I can't move. I find myself thinking "when will this be over I don't like it". I do small bumps and it does even less but can be a bit better. It has never been much of a trip for me. When I do enough I can forget who I am, it's a experience worth it once or twice but it doesn't have magic for me. One time I did a fat line while already on LSD and it seemed to kick me into another gear. But I think allot of that was just good acid. But it is huge with this one band I like, Disco Biscuits. Like unless your in Colorado no one smokes or trips, it's just K all the time.

 

Interesting to think of "behind the eyes" in terms of the evolutionary scale. I wonder what certain organisms/animals didn't have eyes and how they perceived sight with what they did have.

 

i think we probably only perceive closed eye images (when sober i mean) is because our brain is trying to fill in the gaps when we close out the visual input. such a large portion of our brain is devoted to vision, that when we cut it out, our brains try to fill in the missing info.

so i think something that didn't evolve vision wouldn't have that missing info to fill in so wouldn't really perceive vision or anything much like it. but of course i can't know for sure

 

This is the first time I've explored N-ethyl-norketamine, I'm using it as an adjunct to the 3-meo-pcp.. I find it provides quality mood elevation and slight cognitive alteration, . I intuitively thought that it may smooth aspects of the 3-meo-pcp trip which I feel it has...

It's not something that I'd be inclined to dose on it's own for recreation but I feel it can compliment other trips, maybe even a good antidote for bad trips. I probably won't experiment with it enough to see how it reacts with other psychedelics, but it's alright. I think it's a chem that could have good applications but it's not a chem I would recommend if you are seeking a ketamine substitute.

I'd recommend trying your ketamine all at once, if you're snorting, try like 250 mgs or so in a darkened room. My first K Hole Came at the end of an MDMA experience, you could do this with LSD as well I'm sure. Mxe is more potent than Ketamine so if you do small bumps, that'll more likely get you into a trip.

In the book I am reading, it was just discussing how bats locate objects with echolocation. It is mind boggling how different an approach it is to find their way around.

 

my neuroscience professor said it's the result of neurons randomly firing action potentials. like in the blindspot experiment. The real interesting thing, I think, is how we come to have mental storage of sensory experiences via perception, or visual imagery, in the first place.

Being a cognitive science major and doing drugs is hella fun. Soooooo many questions about the miiiiiiind *touches third eye and ascends to hyperspace*

 

SO, mimosa bark, or something of that nature, is used to make DMT right? I have a clsoe friend, who USED to order this stuff, and make it, and it was excellent quality. However upon talking to him recently he said it is now SUPER hard to get a hold of in US, as DEA is trying to crack down on this? I guess all this is true?

Has anyone else noticed the price of DMT has gone up significantly. Someone quoted me $120 a gram recently, i remember back in 2010, i used to pay $50-60 a g, for some amazing quality product. I guess this is another instance of the US making nature illegal.

 

Didn't take the second miprocin experiment yesterday. Gonna try it tomorrow. I'm going to start a buddy out at 9mg (his chocie of dose after his own research) and try 15mg myself.

 

get ready to enjoy yourself

 

After finishing work on Performance, and following his father's death, Fox suspended his acting career. The strain of filming, his father's death and smoking the hallucinogen DMT led to a nervous breakdown. On his break from acting, Fox has commented that "people think Performance blew my mind... my mind was blown long before that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Fox
just thought Id share this.. idk, a weird find..

 

sounds pretty sweet.

I always thought the dose was supposed to be higher though, but maybe that's just because my friends always try to get people to go for the breakthrough. have you ever tried 20?

 

he's only tried it once at a lower dosage.

i started with ~25 mg (weighed by someone else - kinda reckless on my part)

then i tried 20 mg of a new batch. found it to be just as active. then i tried 16 mg with company. was also a great trip. two people with me took 15 mg and 13 mg. it was plenty for them (not frequent trippers).

i took 18 mg a few times. shared 14 mg with a couple friends. one found it to be "just what he was looking for" and one thought i measured wrong and gave him too much.

i had assumed that the dose would be more similar to that of 4-aco-dmt, but i find miprocin to be much more potent. at least when dealing with the batches that i have, only one of each.

the trip isn't quite as deep though. i'm sure it can get deep with increased dose. but for me it seems that 4aces is either off or ALL the way ON, depending on dose. whereas every dosage of miprocin that i've tried has been a good trip, and increasing dosage slowly, slowly increases the effects. meaning i think miprocin has a more gradual dose response curve, but 4aces is steep