Psychedelic Bump XXIII

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edit: oh yeah, I did a dmt+ mdma combo yesterday. It was very weird, not too visual
felt like my body was turning inside out. not unpleasant but... kinda like being lost in space while all my senses were turning around like kaleidoscopic visuals. like a tactile kaleidoscope.. hard to describe.

 

I still always wonder what's going on with all the tremors and other bodily agitations that usually accompany tripping. Do you think it's because serotonin is being affected so heavily? Or perhaps it's related to neurotoxicity? What causes it?

I didn't know the pizza I ate yesterday was too old. Been dealing with stomach cramps all morning so I called in to work and popped some etiz to help ease my body and maybe put me to sleep.

 

I get shaky on lsd... but for me these are like small little orgasms. braingasms
I just randomly start shaking for 1 sec.. It just goes through my body, like a sudden wave of energy. whooosh. it feels awesome. very sexual.

Its one of the reasons why I love acid.

 

Leary suggested that bodily disturbances from tripping are due to unresolved issues or anxieties which are surfacing. Although he also acknowledged that some plant psychedelics naturally cause more bodily disturbances.

I think that the surfacing anxieties aspect Leary suggested is certainly part of it but a recent example I can think of which suggests it's not the whole story is with how some are reporting LSZ. I haven't read a ton of trip reports on it but most the reports that I have read have suggested that LSZ has a worse body load then LSD. This should not be the case as a commonality if it was only about facing uncomfortable/abstract mental material. (I have not tried LSZ personally to verify this, although I can relate with other chems)

This leads me to believe that pharmacological mechanisms are at work as well, however our understanding, or at least the general way in which the mechanisms of psychedelics are often framed, is not very comprehensive. Most of these drugs are affecting other neurotransmitter sites besides serotonin ones, such as dopamine and adrenaline. I don't think it's brain damage or neurotoxicity necessarily, more that various aspects of the brain and body are adjusting to being disturbed from it's homeostatic functioning.

I think the cumulative effects of the pharmacological action as well as the surfacing mental material is what causes bodily agitations.

 

At low-mid doses (~50-~150ugs) LSD produces a lot of nervous energy and tremors, normal somatic response.
At higher doses the opposite happens and a lethargy and general weakness is more pronounced. (can't recall the specific terms at the moment)
I think most folks in this forum can relate to both ends of the spectrum from experience.

mushrooms are notorious for eliciting explosions of energy and muscle tremors.

 

Hmmm... Many people report lethargy and frequent yawning during mushroom trips as well, in fact I've seen it more frequently reported with Shrooms then with LSD.

 

I get newsletters from Maps.org and today they sent me this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/health/lsd-reconsidered-for-therapy.html

http://www.maps.org/research/lsd/Gasser-2014-JMND-4March14.pdf

 

there are serotonin receptors throughout most of your body...not just in your brain.

so tremoring could result from differential binding to the serotonin receptors in your body. different for different drugs i mean. just a guess though.

 

The effect I am referring to is a general muscular weakness and loss of fine motor coordination. I would imagine the "street vernacular" would be getting "puddled" where you feel as if your body has melted into mush, at least that is how I felt

it usually only lasts an hour or so and only on higher doses, but it is a documented effect.

The yawning and lethargy on shrooms I feel is more like normal yawning, your body is trying to get in more oxygen and energy.
I have had far more tremors and such on shrooms than I ever had on LSD.

but heck, I'm not a pharmacologist or any such thing, you and Writer are are much more up to speed when it comes to that stuff.

 

Although scientific studies can provide more insight, I'm basing most my view on the gathered recreational data I've accumulated as well as my own experiences.

I was reflecting on my mushroom and LSD trips and I was thinking that on nearly half my mushroom trips, I hadn't moved more than about 10 feet. I do find mushrooms can have a heavy, dissolving body trip but i find I can sink into it pretty easily as it seems to come over me naturally. I find Shrooms can be pretty sedate at times.

Aside from maybe 1 LSD trip, I can't recall staying put for the majority of a trip. I can relate with the diminished fine motor coordination on LSD, although I wouldn't consider that as represenative of lethargy. I find when I "puddle" with LSD, unless I direct my energy towards meditation or listening to music or something, I'm often writhing around. LSD can have a very transparent, almost nonexistent body load at times but it can also have a rigid, unyielding physical edge to it at times. I think this is what stemmed a lot of the "Good acid vs. Bad acid" debate prior to these other microgram psychedelics surfacing.

 

very good points and I think this is the point where Leary's theories concerning working out emotional issues physically comes into play.
I have also experienced the same spectrum of physical "trips", ranging from nearly catatonic to frenetic energy.

 

Taking MDMA, sitting with a good friend and reflecting on extreme and drastic recent changes in my life (woman leaving with everything in the house with 2 days notice).

yay or nay?

 

Smoked the last of my blue dream..,and very few milligrams of benzos left..no I just gotta get through the dry spell with the last couple milligrams or so I might be able so scrape out of the benzo baggies, at last resort I will cut the bags open and lick the inside to get the remaining micrograms out of them.

till I get 3- meo-PCP, flubromazepam, etizolam, and LSZ in about a week.

 

I probably go with nay, maybe if there had been some time for the dust to settle I'd be more open to recommending it.

I can't really speak for your resiliency in this type of situation but it just seems kind of reactionary and it could potentially be adding stress and adding more to your plate and even your friends plate, which may not go over well at this time. You know each other better than I though.

Sorry about your situation.

 

Yay.


Sucks dude, stay well

 

Anyone try 2-MeO-Diphenidine (Methoxphenidine) ?

If so what do you think about it?

 

Never tried it but some say it feels like a cross between something like. MXE and DXM. I don't care for DXM traits in a dissociative but please report the experience if u do an experiment with it ^_^

 

IV 10mg 3- meo-PCP

 

write report when you getback from alpha century , heavy shit?

 

I just got an offer to try it, I read about it online, and I think I pass. dose- overdose response is good. somebody survived 700mg--- but the dose is around 20-60 I think. But fuck knows, this shit just came out. sold as MXP. some people say it causes heavy amnesia. be careful when dosing, and start from 1 mg. noone knows the threshold dose. at least around here.