Psychedelic Bump XXIII

Yeah, just the existence of a few things in nature that are really impressive or super-specific, that seem to your mind impossible to have occurred by chance, doesn't really validate the notion of intelligent design. The evidence in favor of a model of evolution by natural selection is overwhelming...though I don't leave out the possibility of some underlying intelligent grand plan which is beyond our rational comprehension, the actual mechanics of the evolution of life on this planet are pretty well known to science and most likely exclude "intelligent design"

 

I must say, I'm not too sold on the theory of evolution either.

The progression of "time" means that a concept such as evolution is possible, but I see it as the universe is just adapting to itself.. constantly. To me, the theory of natural selection falls down when you view things wholistically, even if the evidence to support that theory is there. It just doesn't fit for me, because you have to view every life form as separate from everything else.

Not seeing the forest for the trees.

 

That's not necessarily the case and even addressed in Richard Dawkins book The Blind Watchmaker. It was referenced in regards to a study being done on Chimps where they would be killed. The study wasn't allowed on humans due to ethical reasons but viewed Chimps as disposable. Dawkins makes the argument that if these scientist were to draw the evolutionary timeline back long enough and there is a common ancestry among Humans and Chimps that at some point you will not see a distinction between the Human and Chimp, then operating on that timescale he asks the question is the study still ethical?

Taxonomy certainly does have a useful and practical purpose in evolutionary theory though.

 

i don't get what you're trying to say here. care to elaborate?

to the bold part...why?

natural selection and evolution definitely takes into account interaction with other species.

 

I was going to try and describe this with the use of the goat picture, but the analogy can be stretched way too far too easily, but I'll leave it there because it's a nice picture of a goat and his partner "Captain Invisi-goat".


Basically, my beef is with science. It's general attitude towards things is:

Scientist Sr: "Hit it with a hammer, really hard and break it up into little bits. After that, we'll put it together again and hope it fits."

*5 minutes later*

Scientist Jr: "What about all these little bits that don't fit?"
Scientist Sr: "Oh, they're not needed anyway, look, what we have looks almost vaguely like it did before.. maybe if you squint your left eye a bit, and poke the other one.. there, see?".

Bit of an exaggeration there at the end, but I'm high as tits so piss off I know science is fairly accurate, and it's a good starting point for understanding the greater scheme of things because it reveals some astonishing patterns, but it's just so.... precise. That means it's missed something out which means, in precise terms, that it's wrong.

I know I haven't actually answered either of you very well there, and I apologise for that, I really should have smoked after I posted this response, but hey... My point is in this message if you're willing to dig a little bit.. but otherwise, I'm sure I'll have a rant similar to this in the near future, so I shall elaborate more accurately next time. Or I'll come back later..

 

I have not tried PCP, I have tried 4-meo-pcp though as well. Eventhough the visuals are probably superior on 3-meo-pcp, I think I may have slightly preferred 4-meo-pcp due to being able to gauge my dose more effectively and it seemed to lack the slight discomfort I exerienced on 3-meo-pcp alone. They both have very long winded returns to sobriety, at least via IM. I'd say in terms of scheduling the experience, be prepared to feel like you had a couple shots of tequilla throughout the following day.

 

meaty mushroom, do you have a better way of unraveling life's mysteries? or do you just get "high as tits" and criticize?

 

I think this analogy is too vague to be useful. Any scientist who disregards evidence is simply not performing science by definition.

Can you explain this? It seems your argument hinges on this point, that something which is a precise and careful way of observing the world, must therefore necessarily miss a lot of the world. Why do you believe this is so? Can you give any examples of a situation where looking at something carefully and methodically actually generates less data than looking at it carelessly and haphazardly? Or is there some third option of looking at the world? My intuition tells me that you have a general unease about the logical and laborious aspect of science from a purely aesthetic point of view; since life appears so organic, whole, and meaningful, surely a system based around dry rules and proscribed procedures must somehow be deeply flawed. Is this the gist of it? Because it is actually, in my opinion, the source of most peoples' misunderstandings and misgivings about science.

It is also sadly completely wrong as any kind of formal argument against science. All it really says is "I don't like the way science feels". It's your creative, human side rebelling against your perceptions of the rigid, cold, soulless, godhead-denying edifice of science. But the greatest tragedy of this position, which so many people hold, is that if they only spent some time actually doing science they would see that it is the reason we are able to converse on this forum right now, it is the reason we can have discussions about whether or not there are god(s) (without science you would be speared dead for uttering such blasphemy against the Lion god) and it is our path towards the salvation of all life and beauty on earth, if we can only steer it thusly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8P1Y1a7-L4"]A Universe Not Made For Us HD: Carl Sagan on religion, geocentrism [Carl Sagan Tribute Series] - YouTube

 

Well yeah, Writer basically nailed it. Except I don't have a problem with science at all, sorry if I may have upset anyone

It wasn't meant to be a criticism, more of an observation that was vaguely linked to the discussion.
My strange analogy was based around anomalies.

"Missing something out" was based around the perspective of seeing the universe, which is a personal thing and I shouldn't have pinned it all on science.. more about the general view of science that the majority of our society holds.. basically, I was in preacher mode, which is becoming a bit too much of a habit.. Also, I'm not really sure why I was preaching here, of all places.

Live and learn

 

I'm sorry I mentioned anything and got this rolling.


Maybe we should get back to talking about drooogs


Anti-Bump for no psychedelics in over a year...

 

You poor bastard.

 

oh

 

Ive not tripped in a a while either. just havent the time.. everyone is a nut case around me and the squirrel is fed up with lots of shit.

 

Pre-bump for a mescaline trip in a few months.. I can't wait

 

Sounds like a good idea to me too. I've decided against it.

Thanks Raga! I've tried quitting before but I haven't been able to stick it through in the end. A lot of my friends smoke cigs too but the real killer is that my girlfriend smokes too, but she doesn't smoke very much. Maybe 1-2 cigs a day. Anyways, I'm feeling more drive this time and I feel like I'll be able to make these changes that have been a long time coming

Thanks for your comparisons! 4-MeO-PCP sounds to be the more desirable of the two. The duration of 3-MeO-PCP is a big turn off for me.

 

Bump for ~5 mgs 5-meo-mipt


Edit: Oh Joy I found some NEK! This must be what its like when a stoner finds a nug when they are low. Not a moment too soon either because I'm enjoying the Moxy but definitely has a stimulating edge that I wouldn't mind toned down a bit tonight.

 

bump for some E. 220mg/pill

Edit: took one. amazing roll

 

What's the logo on that?

 

got some Swedish LSZ should be coming, will have it at the same time I will also have 3-meo-pcp at my disposal so there will be a few interesting experiences coming to the future soon.

I will also have 2 different types of benzos on hand, if they were to be needed I'm prepared.

 

Ordered my ticket for Wakarusa this June!