Psychedelic Bump XXI

The physically safest to me in terms of how it felt and not hearing horror stories about is probably 2cc. I've never heard any horror story overdoses involving 2cc, it has a very smooth body load for the most part but it also was significantly less potent than many of it's 2cx counterparts.

aMT has been associated with some overdoses. Many report it not even 'feeling' all that healthy, it creates undesirable side effects such as vomiting even at moderate doses for some people.

 

Hi neuroptican! My speakers are messed up right now so I can't check out music at the moment but you got a new follower on Soundcloud. :afro:

 

I'll plead guilty with an explanation.
Certain to take some guff over this but, whatev. It's mostly opinion and observation so...

Potential for addiction is one. Here's the but... we mostly have a (western) society that looks for quick fixes, instant gratification and looks outward for blame. No matter how you slice it life is rough sometimes and what better way to turn it all off than a handle of whiskey or a nice dose of -----? (fill in media's demon drug of the moment) Works pretty good for awhile.
Contrast that with drugs that potentiate reality. The ones that make you look inward, squeeze out all that inside shit (or shadow material) and force you to look at it.
Seems apparent to me why LSD and shrooms aren't nearly as popular as K, opiates and benzos. Oh, and, aren't all those latter ones available through legal channels? And oh, aren't those former all sched 1 ? No mere coincidence, me thinks.
Many people have had pleasant life long relationships with opium. Doin some mxe doesn't mean you're doomed to a life of debauchery. There are no absolutes but there are trends and commonalities.
I don't mess much with dissos because I know enough to about myself and how I tick that I'm susceptable to becoming addicted to "turning off my head".

So, given the choice, if I have shit bothering me, I'm better off with shrooms than I am with alcohol. It is rare for me to deal with something by trying to turn it off and mostly when I drink it's only good beer and much more than a mellow buzz, I'm done.
I've recently done some of that because it was a bit too much. Some beers, some weed and talking with a few close friends about it kept it from being too much. Also why I made some negative comments recently about JHW, because I see absolutely no value in that stuff beyond shutting off reality completely. Ok, kinda fun but...
I grew up in a time with angel dust and quaaludes everywhere you looked. I watched what it did to people. They aren't anything like 'acid casualties'. Every acid head I've ever met, when it came right down to it, where doing what they wanted, not cause they did too much LSD. Sure, some say that but IMO every one of them were fucked up before hand, or were living the way they wanted. Go for it man, "drop out of society" or live on the road. Just don't ask me for beer money and pretend its cause you took too much acid. LSD makes one aware, makes one want better for them, their loved ones and the rest of the world.
If you're livin under a bridge it's probably not the shrooms you did at Altamount, it was the smack, the handfuls of bennies, the Vietnam war, the booze, huffin model glue... all mixed up together.
The fact that there were some LSD trips in between probably has nothing to do with being on a street corner beggin for coins or doing the thorazine shuffle in a county lockup.

Just generalities, there's always exceptions. I prefer to minimize and avoid dissos, and use more focusing and uplifting drugs. There's nothing at all wrong with recreation, the question to ask is what does one find recreational and what does that definition say about the way they're living their life?

 

I thought tryptamines might be safer then the phens for some reason?

 

Or go out somewhere social. Bee's is the most conducive to moving around and social settings out of the 2C's ime.

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Can't think of one (sure there is tho) report of a straight tryptamine death, compared to how many PEA incidents in the last several years?

 

It's almost impossible to answer Jared, as we don't know how most of these work, or how our bodies metabolize them, or how the metabolites are metabolized, etc. How you define "harm" and for what purpose you are asking is also important. Trypts are generally tolerated well but I think a tryptamine overdose would be psychologically much more scarring than certain phens. I'm siding with guerr and saying a mild 2c, like 2c-b/2c-c/2c-d/2c-e. There are many stories of 2c-x overdoses, some of them quite dramatic, and people make it out alive sometimes without even going to the hospital. I think you'd be more likely to suffer HPPD from a tryptamine overdose than a 2c-x overdose, just from my experience.

 

There seems to be a general tryptamine bias on this site, although I believe Porkstock linked me to a good report on the oxidation part of your question being perhaps less safe with phens than trypts and the Nbome hasn't really represent phenethylamines too well.

Here is a 5-meo-amt death: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_media2.shtml

 

i agree, but i was talking about 4acodmt

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v04n1/04134pea.html

 

Great info guys thanks!
Just doing some research.

I forgot how similar tryptamines were to serotonin ... http://psychedelic-information-theory.com/Psychedelic-Pharmacology

Wow reading more from this article on their theory of hallucinations being a visualization of the frequency produced by your consciousness, is interesting.

 

^^ Good link. I made a thread a few months ago about some non-Hallucinogenic 5ht2a agonists. 5-meo-DMT was one of the primary molecules that I was inquiring about, I had read elsewhere that it had strong affinity at the 5ht2a receptor site. Apparently not...

Also surprised about that studies finding on mescaline at 5ht2a, I've had some pretty wicked visual trips on Mescaline.

 

I'd like to say concerning safety of 2c-e, in particular, that I had a semi- "overdose" experience. It was the only time I've ever considered calling for help or 911, let's put it that way. It may have coincided with food poisoning from a late trip to Subway minutes before them closing and hours before dosing, but I spent maybe 30 minutes to an hour throwing up with hellish, stabbing heartburn. I also took my 2c-e with fruit punch kool-aid, so it didn't help that it looked like blood haha.

I don't even remember most of the night or even really tripping, just being disoriented and in pain, and when it passed I just felt like sleeping and forgetting the night. I don't know if the 2c-e was to blame or if it was my fault and I hadn't properly prepared my body or if I was unlucky and just got sick at the same time I dosed, but it was hell. Usually, I'd have some discomfort on the come up of 2c-e and then it would pass into euphoric bliss, but this time I was not so lucky.

Hey man, great to see you still around. I actually spilled coffee on my laptop like an idiot haha, and lost all my music about a year ago. Depressing to say the least, but I just got a MacPro desktop and ProTools, along with some nice recording equipment and I'm going to hit it hard these next couple months. All that downtime away from the computer brought me back to guitar, so it won't be electronic this go around, more like heavy, melodic, psychedelic metal. But I appreciate the follow, like to know what you think when I'm done!

 

I guess I am one of the lucky ones. I have never had any side effects from 2ce other then a sick stomach at doses of 50 mg. And I don't even get that anymore, my body learned to accept it.

 

Neuro, what was your dose for that 2c-e vomit fest?

 

Writer, you beat me to it. I was also wondering the dose. I personally have never experienced those effects to that extreme before with 2c-e however Im sure some of you remember Topnotchstoner, who used to post here, he had an almost worsening heartburn condition when he dosed 2ce, or so he has told me.

As for throwing up, I have only once really had any kind of violent vomiting on 2ce but that was with 21mg administered intravenously and I think it was just a total shock to my system to start tripping so hard, in every aspect, so hard.

Despite that, I would go back and do it all again. fantastic, nae profound trip to say the LEAST.

 

Then again, doing the sheer quantities he did (125mg one time if i remember) and having heartburn isn't much of a condemnation of 2C-e. I mean damn he did a lot, and in short periods.

 

I hear ya voyage. Dissos are alot more susceptible to abuse than psychedelics. My own experience with mxe has been very valuable and even life changing in positive directions. I have used it maybe 5 times in 10 months.

 

My first post to psychedelic bump Gonna trip in the woods this weekend its full of snow beautiful view time to say goodbye to winter. About 2c family well i only tried b so cant say much wanna try 2cp Also 4-aco-dmt excited about these hehe

 

Anyone try the Oxy + MDMA combo Weeknd keeps singing about?

 

2 drops of acid earlier today. Had a blast!"!!!)"! :sunny:

 

new thread...niceeee!

much love everyone :sunny: