Psychedelic Bump XVII

^ 2ce

 

i've never tried 2cc or 2ci, but i can vouch for 2ce. shit is strong

 

I would go for 2ce as well. Really is a great chem. Thinking about getting more along with some 2ci actually.

 

i was thinking about getting samples of 2ci and 2ct7. i dunno if i'd ever even try the 2ci to be honest. -t7 seems like it's worth a go.

i know that 50 mg -t7 seems to be the go-to oral dose. how does that compare to ~20 mg of 2ce, or maybe ~40 mg of 2cb. seems like 50 is a lot (for me)

 

Comparing to 2ce, the headspaces are roughly similar in terms of alteration but 2ct7 has a bit more goofy and pushy nature to it, 50 mgs 2ct7 might be slightly more detaching than 20 mgs 2ce at times but it's not such a difference that I think it's something to worry about. Most the 2ct7 trip cycles between being light hearted and fun (candy) and transforming and building into something deep, with impressive visuals pretty consistently. Unlike 2ce, I didn't really feel any danger to my ego with 2ct7 and if anything it may be one of the more slightly ego boosting 2cx's, it makes you feel pretty damn good but it can be an overwhelming trip at times as well.

The visuals of 50 mgs 2ct7 are more flashy than ~20 mgs 2ce although I'm hesitant to say much more intense and the 2ct7 trip has more significant rises and dips in it reminiscent of acid a bit, compared to 2ce which is more unrelenting the whole way through the trip. As far as body issues go, 2ct7 has a lighter body load than 2ce but 2ct7 has a very pronounced light headed quality to it that made me feel fairly nauseous at times.

 

lighter body load sounds nice. i always thought they caused about the same level of nausea. but the nausea isn't a big deal for me, it's the AFTER effects, gas cramps and whatnot.

do you think ~40 or even 30 mg of -t7 is a worthwhile trip anyone?
30 is the high end of shulgin's recommendation....

 

NO

 

Bump for gratitude for life.

Kitchen smells of a feast.

Fine ales in da fridge.

Bumpin tunes vibin the house.

Nice evening with a friend over dinner n drinkz.

Good to be alive for a little bit.

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i would so wear that fruity pebbles bling.

 

^^^ That boy needs therapy.

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This Saturday a cute girl and I plan on going to a field out in the country and dosing. This will be her first legitimate trip. I was wondering what you guys would recommend for a beginner. I want this to be an enjoyable trip, not too intense and not too light. Which of these options would you recommend? (Mary Jane will be joining us)

Setting: Field out in the country during a comfortable somewhat sunny day. Hopefully catching the sunset (Wanting to time sunset at sometime after the peak)

25i-NBOMe
Pros: Shorter duration (Could be a pro or con), more recreational

Cons: I feel the stuff I have is of sub par quality with 1.5mg sublingual producing a ++ and at times coming near a +++ for me. I also have not ran enough tests to have as accurate of a dose as I'd like to reach that perfect level.

I was thinking 2mg for me (~140lb male) and about 1.5mg for her (Dont know how much she weight and dont plan on asking). I dont know how much weight plays a role with NBOMe though. I have much more tripping experience than her

2CE
Pros: Longer duration (Again possibly Pro or Con), More mind blowing than NBOMe in my experience, can dose more accurately to gauge how big of a response
Cons: Less recreational, unpleasant body load

For this one I was thinking maybe 12-15mg for her and 15-20mg for me. My main concern with this one is the body load

2CE/5-Meo-Mipt (Moxy)
Pros: I find that Moxy makes the 2ce body load a bit more bearable, Can dose more accurately, Makes 2ce more recreational (But still far from it), possibility of aphrodisiac effects from the Moxy

Cons: Again Unpleasant body load and less recreational than NBOMe, but from my experience more recreational than 2CE by itself.

I was thinking maybe 10-15mg of 2CE and 3-4mg of Moxy for her and Probably 14-19mg of 2CE and 3-4mg of Moxy for me.

I feel that NBOMe would be amazing from what I've read but the dosing worries me a bit since I want to get to the perfect level. Hoping for a +++ but not overly intense for her (Gotta make the first trip a good one) and a high ++ or not overly intense +++ for me.

What would you guys recommend? Would you tweak the doses?

Thanks for your opinions :sunny:

 

:rockon:

If those are the options, straight 2Ce. Find some ginger candy or strong ginger ale for her tummy.

I'm still gonna say lucy is the best first date but...

I'm hoping you're asking this because you have already given careful thought and consideration to this before offering to introduce her, and, have talked it through with her as well.

Be a good trip sitter. Have pure intentions. Try to avoid messing around, until at least coming down, after you've both had a successful and nice time together. Psychedelics aren't to be taken lightly in the context of relationships.

Tripping someone for the first time should be taken seriously so try to use it as an educational opportunity. Hopefully I don't sound like I'm lecturing...

 

I'd go with moxy + caffiene given the situation but if that's not TRIP enough than I'd go with the 25I nbome over the 2ce, a bit more empathogenic, doesn't seem to create the uncomfortable and uneasy physical effects that 2ce is known to.

I don't recommend mixing psychedelic chemicals for her first trip.

 

For her first time I would not even consider a combo dose much less on two heavy ones like 2c-e and moxy. I haven't don't 25inbome yet, but somehow I think that would be the best choice out of those 3, for a young woman for her first time tripping

remember that you will be out in a field and that 2c-e and moxy can cause some serious body issues, try and forsee how this would make her feel, especially if you are going for some mwah mwah





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Don't sound like your lecturing at all. I appreciate any help. We have talked about it and have been planning on this trip for about 2-3 weeks. I plan on taking care of her before anything else, including whoopee. That's why I'm dosing on the lower side (Still a significant trip at those doses, but I feel confident in my ability to trip sit at those doses (Aiming for high ++ to a good +++). I'd like to be on the same level as her but would rather be on a lower level rather than higher

 

Sorry for the possible double post

I am leaning more towards 25i myself and a combo wouldn't be the best idea, even though I have had successful runs. I dont want to do Moxy by itself for her first time. I feel like it can be somewhat negative and/or confusing (maybe foggy is a better word?), and less mind blowing.

That was another issue I was worried about but forgot to post. Dont want either of us to be out in a field and get hit with a case of the shits.

From where I stand now it will probably be 1.5mg of NBOMe for her and 1.5-2mg of NBOMe for me (Probably 2mg). Would still love any opinions though

Thanks a lot for your opinions guys!

 

My general advice for you is to think hard about every possible scenario as best you can, from worst case to best case. If you suddenly need to be indoors, are you able to be? How secluded is this place? I think if you worry more about the set and setting then you can be a little more lax on worrying about the substance

 

I think if we absolutely had to be we could make it inside somewhere in a decent amount of time. If I did I would have to call a friend for a ride if it was an emergency, but I have friends who would understand and I think would be willing. If not we would have to make the walk on foot and in that case it would probably be better to just ride it out and try to comfort her and hopefully turn it more positive. She told me about the place and I personally have not been there. She says its very secluded and she seems comfortable with it. She is comfortable with it and that's mainly what I care about in that regard. Also we will dose early enough in the day so there should be no having to go home tripping or anything. I plan on going well prepared with plenty of water, a blanket, music, some food, and a good attitude

We are both looking forward to this trip and she seems pretty excited. So it's a good attitude along with it so far. I will make sure that she is feeling alright the day of the trip and is ready for it. I feel confident that if things do take a turn for the worse that I can do a pretty good job at comforting her and helping her ride it out. I feel the main reason I would have a bad trip is if things get too intense for me, which I don't think will happen with 2mg based off of my 1.5mg experience ( I know set and setting can play just as much of a role for intensity as dose). The other reason I think I could possibly have one is if she has a bad trip, but I think that would sober me up more than sending me into a bad trip. The more I think of it I think 25i is the best option due to its empathogenic effects and more positive push (from what I've read) than the other two.

Sorry if that post was kind of scattered and thanks for your wisdom Mr. Writer and everyone else. I really do appreciate it. Please keep posting any Suggestions/Advice if you have any! If I remember correctly this is my first time tripping with someone for their first time

Forgot to add that I do have Phenazepam in case things do go wrong. Unfortunately it's the only benzo I have. If it's necessary it will be used sublingually to speed up effects, and will hopefully calm whomever down good enough if it doesn't end the trip. Phenazepam is better than nothing, no?

 

I'm glad, dislike coming across like i'm talking down...

If you've talked about it, she understands what it is you're going to share, etc... good then. Unless she's super small, or very high metabolism, I'd suggest 18-20 of E if that's the way you go.
GB recommended that range my first dip into 2Ce and it was damn near perfect. Judge your own amount, but being slightly less tripped would be good as a trip sitter.
Remember, it's all about her. You've had your first time.
I can't speak at all to moxy, only had mild and disappointing experiences with nbome's, and know little to nothing of benzos and aborting with them.

I think it's really super cool of you to put thought and consideration into making her first time magical. Go with your heart, keep your intentions pure, set and setting like Writer said, and you have all the ingredients of a win.