Psychedelic Bump XVII

:sunny: Another believer.

You've explored much more than I. There's many things out there that I've never dipped into. Since my intro to rc's and getting acquainted with a few I've been doubting more and more that anything compares. I doubt it even more now.
I'm glad your intro was phenomenal.

Thanks for the clips CFS. I'll have to take a closer look.

 

I also learned never to let random people play dubstep for hours on acid. THat part was terrible, but overall it was a really fun trip. Very interesting overall. I think I should have dosed higher, though. I had a really good time biking around and having my senses combine.

You should check out the rc's more though. Although cid can be very powerful there are a lot of psychedelics that have their own different but very legit experiences.

Waking life was fantastic.
I really like the rotoscope animation.

 

^ music is one of the most important facets of a trip for me. I can't imagine what a hilarious annoyance hours of loud dubstep must have been LOL, especially on your first touch of lucy.

 

back from my rager in the woods...

friday night was just cannabis + alcohol. i must have had 9 or 10 beers which is quite a bit for me. i feel a pretty good buzz halfway through my 3rd beer...

saturday was terrible weather. rained lightly ALL day long. myself, my brother, and 4 of my good friends all took one hit of acid around 3:30 and went on a walk down the hills/cliffs to the water. about 30 min later my other buddy took 37 mg of 4aces, for his first time ever with it. so now 7 of us are tripping and 2 are just drinking.
this is in a HUGE gorge, they call in the grand canyon of the east. we walked all the way to the bottom. friday night we went down as well...saw 100s of bullfrogs humping. it was absolutely wild. i've never seen SO many of them before, and going at it like nymphos! one of my buddies lost his car keys that night.

anyways, back to saturday, we tripped around in the woods for awhile, split up into two groups cuz some of them didn't wanna walk down the muddy slippery slopes. we went back and started drinking and eating meat.

the trip was really good and fun, but the group dynamic and party atmosphere really distracts from the trip. it makes it all about having a raging good, hilarious time, and leaves out the deep introspective head trip...for the most part.

i made venison kebabs, there were hamburgers, sausage, a pork roast, bacon egg and cheese muffins for breakfast...so much food. 6 cases of all tasty beers for only about 10 of us. and a handle of captain which my one friend drank at least a quarter of....straight from the bottle. he was gargling with it!

i only had like 3 beers and a taste of rum, mostly enjoying the LSD and the plethora of good bud. fast forward to a little after midnight... my one buddy Pat is asking if i have anymore acid. i tell him the honest answer, but that i don't think it'll do much for us if we take it now.
i think about it for a minute
i say out loud that i do have that other stuff (4-aco-dmt, which i had been planning on potentially doing a combo with, but more like 3 hours after the 'cid, not 9 or 10.)

he decides that we should do it. now. without telling anyone. he convinces me though it doesn't take much.

i get it outta the fridge and we nonchalantly flick our tubes into solo cups. 32 mg for myself, and 30.5 for him. i add apple juice (like Alice), and he takes his with water (like Shura). i grimace at the taste...he somehow tastes nothing. he didn't think the hoffman 2010s were bitter either.

the 4aces hits him pretty hard about 7 minutes later. for me it takes more like 12. but before it does we wonder if either of two of our friends wants the other, 26.5 mg dose. i decide on our really awkward friend Lee who hadn't dosed already. i ask if he's interested, stress that he should only do it if he wants to, try to let him make up his own mind. he wants it. he drinks most of it in apple juice, i finish off what he doesn't want. he probably got the majority of it, ~ 20 mg or more i'd guess.

few minutes later, i'm outside by the fire. Pat tells me "porkstock41...i don't feel so good. think i'm gonna puke." he's pacing, worriedly. i tell him "i suggest you minimize movement," maybe to settle his stomach. he turns to walk inside, and i'm hoping he works through it. i start talking with the dudes at the fire, and we all hear a loud bang inside. i try to ignore it, glance inside, everyone is up and talking. but Lee (my previously sober friend, but now on 20 mg aces) comes out, and is mumbling "something bad jus happnd. pat just had a seizure."

time skips a beat, and so does my heart. a switch in my head is thrown and i'm overcome with a feeling of doom. i took the same drugs he did. i just gave my anxiety ridden, semi-unstable friend a smaller but still substantial dose, and now he just watched the other dude pass out from it. i know he's gonna start to freak, at least a little. i stay cool and try to hold things together. i assure lee that he's gonna be alright, he didn't take acid like pat and i did. he took a smaller dose. he's going to be fine..

i go inside and check on pat. he's in bed with his feet up, bloody elbow, said he got super lightheaded and just went dead weight. he said he saw himself in like a green ball, going away from his body. apparently he had a mini seizure like thing, for about 30 seconds, my brother said he did 7 full body constrictions, where you seize every muscle. if you don't do 30 of those, you're fine (my bro is a phys ed major so he learned this). we figure it was a drop in blood pressure maybe resulting in a lack of oxygen to his brain, making him pass out. he was alright when he came to, and his trip faded.

so now i'm relieved that my friend is at least OK, no major damage apparent. PHEW.

we realize that Lee isn't inside. he's the only one missing. i look out the window, he's sitting by the fire. i tell myself he's fine, but i get the feeling that he is not. i decide to go out and check on him. "dude, you good?"
"no. this is trrible. this's turble."
i try to comfort him, ask him if he wants to tell me what's wrong, tell him he'll be alright.
"i'm jus trppn too fckin hard. i'm not USED TO IT. can someone just put me to bed? pls dude, jus pt me t bd"
"alright dude, no problem"

so i do just that, he's slurring his words, can barely walk without falling over, he's embarrassed, doesn't want anyone to know what's going on, most people don't know he is tripping. i assist him on his beeline to the bedroom and i tuck him in. he asks for a blanket, for me to turn down the heat, and to not disturb him for the rest of the night!

this is a semi-disaster.

i chill. notice that i'm getting some pretty heavy patterning on my jeans. i get some alone time with my brother for the first time this weekend. he shares his thoughts on tripping with other people (he's only dosed like 4 times, only with just me.) we talk a little with pat, he's still laying with his feet up, but no way he's gonna sleep. he ends up getting up later, drinking a bunch of captain morgan. lee ends up getting coaxed out of bed by our wasted, rapping, cowboy hat wearing, rum gargling friend.
we are all thrilled to see lee up and about, me especially. we had been talking about how cool he was, cleaning up the cabin into a sort of home..we think he heard us.

we just kept drinking and bullshitting til 4:30 am. got up at 9 this morning and somehow managed to clean everything up by checkout at 11.

fucking awesome weekend, even though we had a couple rough patches. we def shouldn't have dosed the 4aces, but hey, i'm only a bachelor for a couple more weeks.

fuck it

 

Music has never seemed any more special to me on a psychedelic voyage. Though, it does feel more "present." Sometimes it becomes much more dissonant. But, Brian Eno's 1/1 while peaking on mushrooms... wowwowowow..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALvc2ivuxeI"]Brian Eno - 1/1 - YouTube
(this may not be the most appropriate thread for this discussion but I'd just like to give you all a heads up on how I've been. Plus it's nice to vent some of this..)
In other news, I've decided to avoid psychedelic use for the time being. My derealization/depersonalization from a negative psychedelic experience a whole year ago has come back full force. I've read a lot on psychedelics being used for healing, but since my problem seems to have come from a psychedelic experience, it'll be a good idea to avoid them. I feel completely empty, and I'll sometimes get panic attacks where I feel there is no escaping the endless cycle of death and rebirth. Just yesterday I was walking in the woods when the sun came out, and I suddenly felt absolutely filled with fear. It is a difficult emotion to describe, but it is absolutely frightening. It seems as if the universe really is this way, but this runs contrary to other psychedelic experiences where I've learned life is intensely meaningful. Beauty is a hard thing to find right now.

There are two accounts in PiHKAL that I identify with. The first is the trip report in the chapter "MMDA" where the writer talks about meeting up with the void, or "Captain Zero," and is in an intense fear state that lingers a bit after the experience. I wish I could know how he turned out. The other account is Ann's experience in the chapter "Crisis," where she felt she was living in a universe that ultimately had no feeling or purpose. After a week, she used some 2C-B and felt normal. I'm seeing a transpersonal psychologist who is very lovely and she wants to do holotropic breathwork with me. Holotropic breathwork, if you don't already know, was developed by a prominent LSD researcher Stan Grof. He claims it can provide deep psychological healing similar to the kind experience in his LSD sessions. Regardless of how that turns out, I hope to be able to learn all that I can from this experience. The image my therapist put into me is a calm pool below a raging storm. I want to learn how to live with contentment, with whatever might be going on inside me.

One worry is that once I start getting to a place where I feel 'normal' and life seems to be meaningful once more, I'll use a psychedelic and I will be in a fear state once more. I love psychedelics! I envy the lives of Ann and Sasha Shulgin, exploring consciousness with friends, getting glimpses of intense beauty, and finding out more about their own workings. It just sounds like such a lovely way to spend time. Alan Watts said "Once you get the message, hang up the phone." I'm not sure about how I feel about that anymore. Thanks for reading. >:B



& SoS is back up, not sure if it had anything to do with what the DEA was doing

 

SinisterBotanist,

Please do let us know how the holotropic breathwork works out. I know Anne Shulgin says hypnosis can be just as powerful as psychedelics. I personally think nothing can compare to the psychedelic expereince though, when done right.

 

Congrats on the wedding man, glad to see you got through your psychedelic weekend safely.

 

Wow Porkstock, Sounds like a crazy weekend!

 

thanks.

i meant to ask if anyone has ever had anything like that happen on 4aces. (losing consciousness and seizing or twitching). i think it messes with your circulatory system. it turns us all bright red, i seem to remember reading about vasoconstriction with this one, and like i already mentioned, it seemed to give a drop in blood pressure.

 

No doubt. Glad everyone's ok but ya, maybe the aces wasn't the wisest for all involved. Sounds like it hit em pretty hard.

 

shoulda followed my heart...

it was that statement, voyage, that stopped me from dosing the aces at ~ hour 3 as planned. it was already pretty crazy, and i knew i didn't really need to push it. but once my buddy pat started asking me about re-dosing...it was on.


sinisterBotanist, i can't belive you've NEVER had musical enhancement from a psychedelic. have you ever really tripped? that is more an effect of tripping than visuals in my experience.

 

I think it's a tryptamine thing. 2 summers ago went camping with 2 friends, we all had an unweighed medium amount of mushrooms, and one of my friends seized for a while. I've read about it a lot from mushrooms. Also facial flushing doesn't mean its messing with your circulatory system that much, I mean alcohol flushes your face, so does embarrassment and arousal. I've never felt any kind of cardiac issues on any tryptamine.

Sounds like an insane weekend with some too intense psychedelia for some

deciding to dose when already dosed often leads to regrets, i know this from experience lol.



SinisterBotanist, I love that album by Eno, but i love most things by him, even more so Harold Budd. I'm also really surprised that you say music has never sounded especially special to you on psychedelics . . . I can also tell you, from experience mine and not mine, that psychedelics can (help) heal that feeling you get, that you say they gave you in the first place. You should take a good one and contemplate your thoughts on being stuck in rebirth. If it is the case that you are stuck in rebirth, then merely contemplating it should not induce fear. You may find you are not stuck, or even better, that you know nothing of such things, as is the truth.

 

Mad weekend, glad your friends are still alive lol, meybe the alcohol never helped. Glad you all had fun for the most part porkstock

 

I'm jealous of people talking about how wonderful music is when they trip. Music absolutely is a huge part of my life, I dedicate a lot of time to it. One of the main reasons I examined psychedelics was because of an experience one of my favorite musicians (Dave Stewart of Egg) had under the influence of LSD. He said he could fit inside every single note of one of his favorite symphonies. I wanted something like that! I did have a bit of "enhancement" with the Brian Eno album. The music seemed to correspond with the gorgeous flowing energy going across the sky. But I've for sure tripped, especially on the mushrooms! I've listened to Kid A on LSD two different times, and all I can say is that it felt more "present," more a part of me rather than a part of the speakers.

I was trying to do that on 2C-I but I didn't take a high enough dose, at all. Would you think 2C-E to be a "good one" ? Myron Stolaroff wrote that 2C-E is a great compound for facing difficulties.
http://www.maps.org/t2e/index.html
Or maybe a shroomy type like 4-HO-MiPT? 2C-T-7? MDMA? I'm actually not very worried about entering a fearful place because I trust psychedelics will be able to help me accept my feelings, because they are a part of me, just as the whole spectrum of emotions I've felt are. Ann Shulgin's description of MDMA ("being in the hands of god") makes me feel that it is also a very worthy candidate.

fuck it im going to south america for ayahuasca

 

Sounds like a mad weekend, Pork. Cheers.

In other news, my buddy H, who is my most frequent psychonaut-partner (indeed my first tripping buddy), has decided to take a big step back from the chems. We'll see what position that leaves me in. Also changes the complexion of this purchase I was about to make.

I need to get moving on the whole thing, though, if I want to get the stuff mailed before I leave town. Sigh.

 

bump aMt

 

Looks like Salvia is being investigated to make similar types of medicinal non-psychoactive drug medications. Similar to what we have seen with other hallucinogens and disassociatives.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120321142018.htm

 

Had Pat been drinking before taking the 4-aco-dmt?

I know someone who took mushrooms and drank a whole bunch of liquor which resulted in a seizure. Apparently it was all around very pleasurable, however it leads me to believe that maybe alcohol and psychedelics is a combo that makes such mini seizures more prone to happening?

Either way, it's pretty scary. Sounds like you had a good time for the most part though.

 

yes, all three of us had been drinking at least beer before dosing 4aces. pat had also taken a hit of LSD. and smoked plenty of herb

sounds like musical enhancement to me

 

This is pretty cool; it's a letter from Laura Huxley (to relatives maybe?) which explains the last days of Aldous Huxley's death, and more importantly his last hours on LSD:

http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/huxley_laura/huxley_laura_article1.shtml