Psychedelic Bump XV

I'm personally so in love with mary jane that I just dont see the point. Why mess with a perfect thing and smoke gross chemicals that apparently taste like pure shit instead?

THAT being said, you said something that caught my attention. When you say ''some of them are way, way stronger than bud'', does that mean it just takes less to get you there, or that you get more baked than you could ever get on weed?

 

Yah but all 3 of those psychedelics you listed are extremely colorful and filled with energy. Mxe is more dulling and sparse with eyes open and rigid in movement. Its not that that mxe + 6apb is my winter combo, it just seemed to personify a feeling of winter really well.


I had some pretty insane dreams last night, one dream scene involving stray ecstasy pills.

 

I agree. Their are SO many different strains of cannabis, why would I smoke these chems. If I want a stronger hi then I'd just smoke hash.

 

cant grow a synthetic in the closet, there is no room in there with my panties..

 

more baked than you ever could get on weed. beyond baked. just from my understanding..i've never tried any. many of them are full agonists to the CB2(?) receptor, whereas THC is only partial.
which means you can also OD on them...

did you take them in and nurse them back to health? (the strays)

i get what you mean about the wintery stuff.
in WNY winter is obviously cold...so i don't need a chilled effect from a drug haha, just busting on you cold blood californians. it's snowing like a mofo here...just started right after i got home on my bike

i didn't know that mxe was like you described. do you find ketamine to also be dull?

 

:rofl: Yes I did but unfortunately it was a rude awakening in the morning when they weren't there.

We actually got a lil bit of rain today...

I find ketamine to be dulling as well, but when I say dulling I don't mean that it's boring. What I mean by dulling is that the cerebral/perceptual effects of ketamine/mxe seem to be catalyzed by a slowing down of the CNS and lowering of a lot of periphreal functioning (difficulty walking, slurring words, insensitive to pain, etc) to produce it's effects as opposed to the heightening of functioning and stimulation of the CNS like the majority of psychedelics. That's why I think mxe often gets comparisons to opiates and Ketamine even receiving nicknames like 'Hallucinogenic Heroin' or 'Raver Smack' in some circles. But still they can create interesting vivid images, particularly with CEV's and it can be exciting in a way. Like Alcohol is something else I would consider dulling as well, but often it can make individuals excited and what not.

 

Introduced my two friends to mxe. My boy is a dj and i think he is having a blast!!! He hasnt left his booth. lol i have been melting into his couch for the past two hours or so... tmw is a blackout blacklight party and we gonna raaaaaaagggeeee!

Then chem bro movie

Then aoki/datsik

Then THE WORLD!!!

 

It'll be her bday. I know pot makes the comeup/trip more insane, that's the point but it also does wonders for somatic complaints and generally acts as a paradoxical anxiolytic even while ramping things up. Of course this is coming from someone who smokes nightly before bed, so it's like a security blanket for me, helps me get more into the groove of letting go and getting into my head vs freaking out about all this stuff that is happening.

Well that's like saying that you're a bi-monthly LSD tripper so you figure your serotonin receptors get plenty of stimulation, so therefore you won't do any other serotonergic psychedelic . . .

.... seriously? If someone offered you lab grade crystal methamphetamine you would prefer to jump out of an airplane? You're a smart guy pork, how can you not understand that statistically one is ten thousand times less harmful to your mortal life than the other? There's nothing inherently damaging in crystal meth or crack, anymore than there is in morphine or cocaine . . . you are confusing the addicts lifestyle/street cut shit/DEA propaganda for the actual human effects of a drug. Crystal meth is still prescribed by doctors today. And for you to say that about synthetic cannabinoids . . . that's just a little weird and I think you've let yourself buy into some nonsense.

Well I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon and it's got nothing to do with the inherent value of the chemicals/plants in question and everything to do with power and politics.

Yes, you've read many comments from the typical rc (ab)user who buys stuff not knowing how to use it, does way too much, gets into a habit, jail, etc, all that nonsense that gives me a headache when I use these forums sometimes. But you also hear comments from responsible users like me and SpiceyCat, so there is also some selective reading going on here. personally I always take the value of a chemical from my own experiments and not the mistakes of others. Hell imagine if cannabis had just been discovered last week, can you imagine all the internet posts from irresponsible people who had smoked or eaten way too much, greened out, paranoia, you'd be here posting about how you don't understand why people turn to these dirty plants with unknown mixed alkaloids and inferior partial affinity when there are superior full binding pure synthetics out there

"I'm personally so in love with beer that I don't see the point of drinking wine. Why mess with a perfect thing and drink grape flavored juice that apparently tastes like pure shit instead?"

One, smoking synthetic cannabinoids does not preclude you from smoking and enjoying cannabis. I don't understand this feeling that so many people have on the topic. You are not betraying mary jane by trying a synthetic cannabinoid, anymore than you are by allowing your natural cannabinoids like Anandamide from running amok in your body. I have several different synthetic cannabinoids and I keep them in the same bag that I keep my delicious amazing ganja in. One does not have very much to do with the other, except that I ocassionaly mix them or sometimes substitute one for the other as needed for specific effects and logistics.

Also it doesn't taste like pure shit anymore than DMT does. And I don't know about you, but I don't smoke ganja because I love the taste, I smoke it because I want the psychedelic effects. Ditto for JWH and co. Again, like saying "why would you eat lsd it comes on PAPER what are you a PAPERTARIAN" lol . . .

Both. Some of these with only 5mg will have you thinking you are about to die and be reborn. These are a whole different ballgame from ganja. Others are disappointing and feel hollow, like they are only 20% the ganja the experience and missing 80% of it. In the end it comes down to "apples and oranges".

If you are uncomfortable trying new synthetic cannabinoid RCs (but not new tryptamine/PEA/god knows what else RCs??) then that's fine, but try not to rationalize it by making it a "synth canna OR real canna" argument. I'm not taking sides here, and I urge you not to either, but to understand each substance on its own merits. It doesnt even make much sense to speak of "synthetic cannabinoids" in one breath if we want to get specific, since they run a bewildering gamut of effects and properties. If there was a CiHkAl book it would be as thick or thicker than Tihkal/Pihkal.

 

You know, I think highly of you and you are always a well spoken, well reasoned cat. That's why I was so surprised to see this...

Seems to me that the only argument to make is simply for experiencing something for the sake of experience or exploration.
But that reeks of grasping at straws to bolster a defensive position. You as much as anyone recognizes that doctors peddle addictive, destructive substances everyday. Maybe it's just me, but to use that as validation for meth, pure lab-grade or otherwise, is pure folly.

Or jumping out of airplanes. Oh, with proper education, harm reduction and careful consideration of risks.

And that's a subjective value, on a personal level. The societal level is a different discussion but that's not the point here.

This, and the rest of the points you made. Except for...

And that's me to a "T". One out of 25 or so wines are drinkable to me. That's my subjective opinion and I don't really feel like it needs defense. I can make claims like others (to follow the analogy) about various properties of wine, purity, aesthetic descriptors, government stances... but in the end, I love me some fine beer. And in the end, perhaps Porks and Shivs defense of sticking with natural ganj is flimsy, maybe so, but defending meth by saying doctors prescribe it is weaker by a country mile.


All that aside... ... you and Vol have a super awesome time celebrating her B-day. I know you will!

:love:

 

i only reply to continue the conversation, not to say "i'm right, and you're wrong"

not quite. i feel a bit guilty about the frequency of my cannabis smoking. therefore, i REALLY feel that i don't need to add a stronger synthetic to the mix. with RCs...i mostly got into them (2ce) as a sort of substitute for LSD. turns out, i like it for different reasons than L, and continue to use it only very occasionally now that i have access to LSD. but in any case, i only trip about once a month or two..so i don't think i'm overstimulating my serotonin receptors like my cannabinoid ones.

i have very little interest in stimulants. the few times i've tried them, i've not enjoyed it, and i'd rather seek out other thrills in the short time i have on this earth - like tripping on psychedelics, and maybe jumping out of a plane, separately, for an adrenaline rush.

you're an adventurous guy, writer. how can you not understand that skydiving is one of the ultimate adventures..way more ballsy than smoking meth IMO.

i wouldn't smoke meth if it was pure lab grade. i would take meth if it was prescribed by my doctor. it's my body - i get to choose what goes in and out, and i'm not on a personal quest to allow EVERY drug to pass through the gates.


you made a good point about if cannabis was just discovered, and we had been smoking JWH for the last 10,000 years. but that is NOT the case. it's the other way around

i'm sure JWH and other synthetics come with their unique set of properties, just not something i'm interested in exploring.

i'd rather go skydiving

 

I am also a little surprised at this statement.
You know it has been conclusively shown that cocaine (crack) and methamphetamine cause permanant damage to the dopamine receptors, and heroin is very addictive.
True that the legal status does have a lot to do with the harm people suffer with addiction, but to throw that in with the preceding statements just does not sound like the well informed and pragmatic Mr. Writer we all know.

There have been NO clinical trials to determine safety for the synthetic cannabinoids. NO longevity of use in the general population. Etc. etc.. to prove or disprove their safety.
But there have been many reports of severe panic attacks and other issues including overdoses needing hospitalization with these new synthetics.

Sadly I have as of late begun to disagree with this thought.
The frequency of use exhibited by you and Spicey as well as many others here screams ABUSE!!! much more so than responsible use.
Anymore the psychedelic bump thread has become a chronicle of abuse more than anything else.
Knowledge and experience about these drugs does not preclude abuse.

I love you both as well as most others here, but let's cut the BS and be honest, the vast majority of contributors to this forum fall squarely into the abuse camp. Some people here are taking psychedelics multiple times a month or more for gosh sakes! That doesn't sound like productive use of these substances, but rather just getting fucked-up for the sake of getting fucked-up.
Recently their was a thread started by a new female member concerned because she had dosed like 30 hits in like 3 weeks. Some of the responses from regulars here screamed "Hypocrite!!!" as she was told that she had been abusing it and similar shit.

Maybe it's time for some people to try extended sobriety for a change, months, not days.

 

Who is anyone to say what is abuse and what isn't? I don't see anything written in stone. Only the user can make that decision and whether they openly admit it or not, inside they know whether or not they are misusing and abusing any chemical. Enough said...

A lot of judgement gets thrown around here as if everyone knows what is best for the next. I'm all for harm reduction but there is difference between a friendly point of veiw and being a straight up dick.

On another note, my friend mixed the BADDEST version ever of The State by Porter Robinson on a whim last night. Wished we could have gotten that on track. It was fucking phenomenol!

Spicey, do you think (since I believe you are the only person experienced) that a lowish-medium dose of LSD and a medium dose of MXE would be good for a concert/party?

After last night I've come to the conclusion that mxe would be pretty awesome at a bassy show given the right dosage.

 

but wine is delicious

lol @ papertarian.

First of all I LOVE the taste and the smell of ganja.

Fair enough DMT allegedly tastes like pure shit - but the difference here is that DMT is a completely different experience, AND youre not going to see me smoke DMT every hour or so for a whole day/night.

If a synthetic cannabinoid is almost the same experience as weed, then why would I bother? If I come up to you and say ''hey man, wanna get high? You can either smoke this joint of delicious weed, or this one here, which will taste like burning plastic. Effects will be similar.'', theres no way you are going to choose the plastic. Thats my perspective on it. Now don't get me wrong, if it was a cannabinoid that gives very different effects, then maybe I'd consider it, but if it's just a weed knockoff, I wouldn't be interested.

This I would consider.

Understood. We can't lump all of these substances together with weed just because they are cannabinoids. I'll give you that - just like all phens arent the same and all trypts arent the same. Still, my main point remains that if I'm looking for a high similar than weed, I'll just smoke weed.

 

Sounds like the rationalization of someone with a problem.

Sorry, but having to get high on some type of substance many times a week and consuming every new thing that comes along kinda does spell abuse in my book as well as a lot of other people's.

Being called a straight up dick by someone who has MANY times spoken of concerns over their drug use really doesn't carry much weight with me, except the concern and sadness I feel when you say your going to take a break and be sober and within a week or so your back posting about snorting, swallowing or shooting something again. Maybe you don't understand that my comments are made out of concern more than trying to dictate to you or anyone else how they should live their life. I have seen my fair share of friends fall due to drugs, as have you.
Honestly, how can you try to get your brother off of opiates when you yourself can't stay clean for an extended period?

Yeah, I'm being a dick, but sometimes that's what it takes to get a message through.

I'm just trying to be straight-up honest, if that makes me a dick, then so be it.
Sometimes being honest about sensitive issues displays more care and love than just saying "Wow, that's cool".

I've been here at HF for almost 5 years now and many of the regulars I do consider friend/family enough that I will speak out if I perceive a problem based on their postings.
I could cite examples based upon what people have posted, but that would be disrespectful to those individuals.

Love and peace to you G0dm4ch1n3.

(also bear in mind that I have been in the "abuser" camp more than once with more than one substance before in my life, still am when it comes to weed, but at the very least I see the abuser in myself and readily admit to it.)

 

I never pointed any fingers. I never personally called YOU a dick, Noxious. I don't understand why you are taking my comment so personally. ??? You are coming off as if you have a guilty conscience.

Yes, I am an ex-addict. That makes my opinion inferior or moot? Addiction can happen to the best of us just as you just mentioned that you have had a problem with abuse in the past.

Why drag me through the mud? I was not acting hostile. You seem to out to just pick a fight. I understand your concern and I respect that and your post didn't strike a nerve with me. It was how everyone in the conversation was treating each other that didn't sit well with me.

About my opiate addiction and substance use I have been clean from opiates for nearly a month and before MXE I have not done anything else since October. I only IV'ed once in my life many many months ago and have not IM'ed since August of last year. In fact I have voiced that needles are no longer my friend. Don't smear me and post slanderous information about me when you do not know the whole truth.

 

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I apologize if I misinterpreted your remarks and further if I insulted or hurt you with mine, that was not my intent.

 

No problems, friend.

 

Guys I need a straight answer. What is a typical good price for kratom and how much tea will it make me?

 

id tell you , but im gay..