Psychedelic Bump XIX

eat some garlic and grapefruit. should clean your liver right up. might upset a nearby vampire.. but youll be ok..

 

kava sounded pretty sketchy while reading it's wiki entry. i don't know much about it, but i learned that Flavokavain B might be the hepatotoxic compound in kava. there were three mechanisms of hepatotoxicity mentioned. they said someone recommended no more than (oops) 250 mg of extracted kavalactones in 24 hours.

and they mentioned how synthetic kavalactones caused liver problems in germany, because the (-) enantiomer is toxic, while the (+) enantiomer is not and is the only one found in nature. synthetic stuff is racemic (+) and (-) mixture, unless controlled for.

 

It states on Wiki that the typical bowl of Kava Kava contains 250 mgs Kavalactones so that makes no sense .

That wouldn't be a problem in the US products...

A PhD thesis from 2011 suggests that a synthetic kavain enantiomer is likely to have played a role in the liver toxicity in Europe.[48] Many German kava kava products comprised a synthetic kavain for economic reason,[49] like, e.g., in Laitan®. The synthetic kavain is a racemic mixture of kavain(+) and kavain(-) (noted also D/L kavain). Kava kava contains only kavain(+).




Edit: I found this info on a Kava site, Surely should put you at ease Roorshack and also puts me at ease to continue to enjoy Kava Kava without significant problems...

A single shell of kava as served in Vanuatu can contain anywhere from 150 to 500 milligrams of kavalactones, depending on the variety used, the method of preparation, the ratio of kava root to water, and the volume of kava per shell. Kava drinkers there consume anywhere from 500 to 2,500 milligrams of kavalactones per day for years at a time without any apparent ill effects. This casts the Kava Committee recommendation in a highly questionable light.

I personally have dispensed concentrated fluid kava extract in doses of 600 milligrams of kavalactones to several thousand people. Many individuals consumed several cups without suffering ill effects.

 

That does make me feel much better.

Yeah, I have an extract, with 200 mg per pill, and 30% kavalactones (upon closer inspection.... I had not seen that before, about the percentage), which makes that 60mg.... so 4x60=240.

That makes my dose seem pretty un-important, I guess.

The bottle says not to take more than 300mg kavalactones per day, though it also says it does not reccomend more than 2 pills daily, and not to exceed THAT....

But anyway, the bottle is saying it's fine to get pretty high, because before day 2 and getting bored of it and a headache, I quite enjoyed it, it has nice body feelings that are somewhere between pot, and LSD onset..... but very little in the way of mental effects, with NO paranoia. I think people say it's weak because you can easily forget about it, with the lack of stumbling, seeing shit, etc, that generally tells you you're on drugs. I mean, I went all through today wondering why I felt intoxicated, without being particularly mentally off. Didn't occur to me that I was just still on the shit. (and I can't find shit for info on duration, still.... maybe most people take it so habitually that they don't have a beginning or end?)

So, totally doing that again, assuming I come to no perminant harm from this time.

 

well, not that i had much of an interest in trying kava to begin with, but the last couple pages on here have ensured that i won't develop one

bump for maybe trying 25i/25c this weekend. the leaves are so colorful and the weather has been so nice lately.

 

The root isnt dangerous to your liver. There was somme issues where less than reputable suppliers were cutting the root pills with leafs and stems - that is what was dangerous to the liver.
This is why I get only ground root and make my own drink from it. It also adds to the whole ceremonial flavor to it. BULA!

Anyone else get bad headached from Kava?

 

Late-Bump for the most meaningful trip I've yet had.

Dosed 1.5mg 25b-NBOMe blotters buccally on Saturday with my friend R, who was on a 2mg dose. Both our other half’s were staying straight tonight.

R had the quickest comeup we've experienced yet with this chem, and was full blown tripping literally 5-10 minutes after dosing. I wasn't long behind him, and about 5 minutes later, my breathing felt amazing, then all of a sudden, BANG!

Me and R went through to the bedroom and put on a Doors cd and turned off the lights. The closed eye visuals were really strange, it was like thousands of earthy coloured cubes all interlinking and moving, and on every surface of each cube there were strange letters and numbers in an ever changing green colour. It made me think of like, kids alphabet blocks, but maybe an alien kids, haha. With eyes open, the dark was black, and I couldn't see anything. This did nothing but intensify the music. All I could hear, all I could think, all I was; was the music. Jim Morrison screaming The Lizard King, the chaotically perfected music, I could feel it in every inch of me.

Then I started to feel uneasy. There was a feeling, an incredibly strong feeling that I've still been thinking about how to describe it. It was as though I felt lost, truly lost, not just as straight forward as that.

I got up and went through to the other room where my girlfriend J was, and as soon as I laid eyes on her, the feeling dissolved. All I wanted to do was hold on to her, because it felt like as long as I had her hand, or her touch, I couldn't be lost. I could stay here sane and whole, as long as I held on. We'd been going through a bit of a rocky patch the past while, me moving an hour train away, University and College and Work meaning we weren't getting the time together we were after. I'd been getting so lost in worrying about this and that that I hadn't stood back and really realised what was important, or what I had.

I felt like I was losing it a bit, but managed to keep my head together with constant reassurances from J, me asking her "Am I alright?" and her just saying I was held me together.

Me and J then went through to the bedroom and we put on the animated film Despicable Me, R and his girlfriend L stayed in the other room. This is where the visuals and profundity reached all new levels for me. We sat on the bed, I was still a bit disoriented, but J just sat and hugged me. For the next hour or 2 or 20, I have no idea, all I did was lay on the bed gazing deeply in to her eyes. For this time, all I could see that made sense was her eyes. They were perfect, crystal clear, one eye slightly greener, one eye slightly browner as normal, but they looked beautiful. Off of her eyelashes and from her iris’ were radiating spiralling patterns of colour, that at the time all I could say was “Know the Grateful Dead’s Dancing bears? They make sense now.” I’m not saying I seen dancing bears, but that was the idea that came in to my head. The colours and patterns were blending in with the patterned curtains and the walls and everything was shining with rainbows of colour and light; it was beautiful.

While looking in to her eyes, my thoughts became clear and concise. I hadn’t realised how much she meant to me these past few months, but here she was “Keeping me safe within my own head” as I told her. With everything else in chaos, nothing looking right, everything dowsed in colour, she was clear, and bright and beautiful. She was the keystone keeping everything together, and everything safe.

After the film finished, which was hilariously funny for the parts I zoned in to watch, I stuck on Pink Floyd London 66/67 and was completely blown away by how intricate and detailed the playing sounded. It was the first time watching this while tripping, and the improvisations sounded new and out of this world.

Slowly returned to near enough baseline with many deep and connecting conversations, and was able to fall straight sleep about 7/8 hours after dosing.
Had complete afterglow since, and J and I’s relationship feels brand new. I don’t think I’ve ever felt as close to her as I now do.





TLDR; Tripped balls learned shit.

 

Bump for a dose of methoxetamine up the arse!

Oh thy weird chemical...finally we meet again!

 

Second day after, feeling it a little bit and a little headache.

Since the evening I took it, I've had an intermittant headache of the type that you can develop on pot, but that you can relax and cause to disappear.

*edit* update on my long kava state, second evening after, and I feel a little off but not really like I'm ON kava anymore, nothing like last night. Bodily functions appear normal, and I have traced my intestinal issues to an overdose of cheddar potato chips (with a dye that apparently does not break down in the gut) that was concurrent with my kava dose. Might be nice stuff for a long relaxed weekend (although I get the idea most people would not feel it at all, after this long), and might mix very nicely with pot. Or maybe a small dose combined with a small dose of valerian root and a big dose of pot would be good for rather intense sleep, of the sort with surreal dreams.

 

Glad you liked it at least a bit.
Ya, I think these guys that put on a public face to this research have a difficult line to toe. On the one hand most that I've heard talk or write obviously have an enthusiasm for psychedelics and their possiblilities, but on the other they can't be seen coming across as rabid hippies.
I was impressed when I heard Rick Doblin speak about research, professional, witty and funny without talking down or seeming 'sterile' about it.

I like that quote too. It's the distilled essence of a very fascinating idea.

 

^^^piss off! (referring to deleted spam post) -mw


voyage, i listened to that radio link you posted. good stuff


bump for ~1 mg each of 25i-nbome and 25c-nbome...and then another 500 ug each an hour later. feeling it pretty nicely 3 hours after the first dose.

some pretty significant body temp issues
some color brightening, and breathing effects
and an overall trippy headspace.

hard to put my finger on. seems weak some moments and then pretty strong in the next moments.

i guess i should take my own advice and not try to report on the trip as i'm tripping....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM-2233

Synthetic cannabinoids? Not even worth it. And reading through trip reports seems to confirm my suspicions. Experiencing temporary hearing loss and strong ringing - nah, count me out.

 

yes, quote it so when it's deleted it will still be around

post 3k!

 

What a profound post to turn the clock over with:sultan:

 

All right so my plans are as follows, tell me what you think:

I am holding off (have, in fact, refused a few invitations to trip) to get a perfect set/setting and do a heavy dose (by my standards). I want, for the first time, to do a trip with a sober trip-sitter. I want to do a full guided session according to the session-planning guidelines in "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide" (great book which I'm very glad I purchased). I'm going to take about an 1/8th of shrooms together with the remaining 200mg of mescaline sulfate that I still have.

As regards specifics, what do you guys think of this combo...Should I eat them together or stagger the shrooms to match up w/ the mescaline peak? All thoughts appreciated.

 

The combo sounds interesting, I have not explored it myself. Based on other psychedelic combos, I tend to prefer staggering doses. I would probably even wait an hour or so into the mescaline peak to dose the shrooms if I were to attempt this combo. I find the gradual transforming and unfolding synergy of a psychedelic combo usually more dynamic and accessible than having them hit simultaneously, which I tend to find will produce a murkier headspace with psychedelics that have a bit of contrast such as these. However, if the aim of the combo is for the heaviest trip you can get out of this experience then take them simultaneously to avoid possible tolerance developing and dampening the full effects of the staggered dose.

 

I have officially K Holed, I felt like I was flying in a space ship :sunny:

 

*Bump* Got a blue defqon today. I was hoping o get 3 but due to unforeseen circumstances, I only got one. Should me and my girlfriend: Eat half each, snort half each, or plug half each?

 

I would snort the whole thing

 

So how did the rest of trip go for you?