Psychedelic Bump XIX

^ I enjoyed reading your TR Raga, I found the narrative part painted some nice mental imagery for me and took me there a bit. I also found your writing while tripping very interesting, sounds like that trip produced a high level of introspection.

 

after aborted trip at12am. I dosed again around 6pm today.. approx 1mg and some specks. nasal. controllable visuals +++, no body load.. weird because I figured the benzo would of dampened it off more than this. I may need to extend my caution with it.. 25i.

 

A very beautiful autumn night it is! Feels so great! Smoked a nice bowl and went for a walk earlier :sunny:

Also caught the end of the presidential debates...meh.. lol.

 

right on, cory! we always have the same weather

i just stepped outside to take out some trash, and enjoyed the cool, crisp night for a moment. the air smells so fresh tonight.


raga, i read your report. i don't have anything insightful to say about it however.

 

What I had meant pork was that 25 I,c and d are so similar combining them all is kind of pointless in my opinion, but just my opinion. Anyways score! Got an op 80 for 30 bucks prob gonna chew it up today on the way to the shore, I got like 10 hours of driving which I get paid for today plus the actual physical labor when we get there

 

holy shishkebab you are a brave man!

 

i wish you would have quoted me so i could go back easily and see what exactly we said before.

 

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/2010/oct/15/please-explain-psychedelic-drugs/

 

Bump for some fall cleaning and one hit of generously dosed lysergic acid. Im giddy as fuck.

 

After Several months of being interested in LSA via trip reports, I finally ordered some HBWR. I'm eager to explore this stuff.

 

Trying to decide what to take which days for voodoo fest. I'm thinking 25b for the first day, MDA for the second and LSD + MDMA for the last day.

 

Bump for possible liver failure due to kava extract pills.....

We shall see. This would be my stupidest mistake EVER..... sort of light stool, slightly dizzy and pretty tired all day (took it yesterday..... maybe I'm just still effected?), little appetite and almost threw up a relatively small salad when I'd usually eat a loooot more....

Can't decide if my eyes are yellower than normal. Urine is not brown, but I've been drinking lots of water.... Have stopped so that I can assess that. Had alcohol-style liver ache briefly at about T+3, but nothing since then, really...

But then again, placebo is powerful shit, my heart's racing and I hope I'm just scaring myself.....

Anyone know how fast and deadly kava-related liver failure would be? would I just wake up dead, would I get better, would it happen on my first dose, would....... etc? Trying to establish a "go to the ER now" indication.

 

Do you really think liver failure would kick in that fast from something that seems to be relatively commonly used? I mean it's not a poison or anything. Unless you consumed it with lots of alcohol or some sort of meds that have an effect on the liver I wouldn't worry too much.

It sounds like your stomach/GI could just be upset from the kava into the next day. But I've got no experience with liver failure. If you really are worried, it's probably best to play it safe and get it checked out.

 

Enjoying it, though we're (on HF) all well-informed. I thought the guy from NYU started out bullshitting, but he came around it seemed.

I'm digging that good old hippie music.

"neurobiological pathway to a spiritual experience" I liked that idea a lot.

Good safety data.

 

@ Roorshack: Kava usually effects me throughout the following day, I have not been hungover from it recently but I seem to recall taking it and feeling less than stellar a time or two after. ER seems a bit drastic imo.

 

I don't, and didn't (obviously) think so.

But I feel about as intoxicated now as I did yesterday, it's been well over 24 hours (it's almost 10PM, and I dosed it at 3pm). I'm lethargic (yes, it's a loaded word with relation to liver function) but can't sleep.

I have considered the potent smell and flavor of kava, and it's colour, as a reason for my intestinal disturbances. Last BM also burned a bit. So, I do hope that's it.

I read (on wikipedia, of all unreliable places) that there are kava profiles that last 2 days, and are even named for such a long action....

I just don't want to tell myself that everything's okay, and die for it (or suffer possibly preventable damage), ya' know?

 

what do you mean by a liver-ache? i've never experienced that. i know your liver is on the ride side of your stomach a couple inches above your belly button. i had surgery on my liver when i was two.

i remember you saying something about your liver Before you took the kava, so maybe you are just worried about it?
after reading a little on wiki, i would probably be worried about it too, but you guys know me...

get yourself checked out if you think you should.

 

I'm relieved to hear that GB feels something the day after.

I don't feel horrible, or in any way where I'd normally seek medical attention, but knowing I quadrupled the suggested dose for something that causes liver failure, and then after I'd expect it to be worn off, feeling sleepy and impaired, also symptoms of liver damage, is scary, at least for me.

As for the liver-ache, (in my binge-drinking days.... I don't do this anymore) after a night of too much alcohol and too little water and all that jazz, the next day I'd have an ache there. I've known others to admit this, as well, though maybe they're just stupid and talking about feeling like they're about to puke I did get a twinge of this while on the kava, about 3 hours after ingestion, for maybe 20 minutes.

I'm rather sure I'm just scaring myself and will be okay, but it's good to know about the worst case scenario, and have a plan for it (with set points of action, especially if nonaction results in coma, which would obviously leave my fate up to luck and others).

*edit* I was also exposed to lead and sulfuric acid from cleaning and maintaining a car battery yesterday.... but I hope that's beside the point. Maybe I'm just becoming a retard from lead poisoning. I suppose my life is a toxic disaster :leaving:

 

welcome to earth. be more careful with your drug dosings

 

Ehh, I think I was careful.

I mean, I'd like to add a pill if/when I do it again (which will depend on my ultimate conclusions about this simply being long duration, or actual liver damage).

One problem I'm having is I can't find what type of dose actually causes liver damage or failure. It'm more that someone reported to some agency that their brother is TOTALLY a doctor, and treated some daily binge drinker, who TOTALLY took some kava, and their liver TOTALLY exploded.

It mostly seems that it was a result of the extractions being made of upper plant tissue, and I have suspicions, if the liver damage is in fact even real, that maybe the traditional cold water tea leaves some things that would be picked up by a solvent extraction for swallowing. Maybe it would be wiser to open capsules and make/strain a drink.

I'm still not even convinced that the stuff causes liver damage, it looks to be less damaging than alcohol for just about everyone, but the problem is the shitty data. And I'd hate to become a part of that shitty dataset.

I pinched myself 2 hours ago and there's no burise, and I'm not yellow..... I guess I'll make it till morning.