Psychedelic Bump XIX

Four of us gathered at a house in the Ozark foothills. We each ate ~25mg 4AcO-DMT. We went to where a bonfire had been laid and sat around the fire, coming on, then went for a misty day walk in the woods, everything all green and even more mysterious than usual. We got to a little river running clear along a pebbled bed and the pebbled shore moving, morphing so that I spent most of the time sitting, bent over, watching the dance. It was still misty so we went back through the magical misty green forest, to the fire, where I huddled up with a sleeping bag around me. Sitting around the fire laughing our asses off. But it started sprinkling and we went inside.

I wanted to just lie there and let mind manifest, and other people were wanting to talk. I laid on the floor with the sleeping bag over me, in my own world while the other people, actually mainly one person blathered on. But from their perspective, maybe my periodic groaning wasn’t so wonderful, either. By this point I was pretty much immobile, very happy, comfortable. Finally the others went back to the bonfire, leaving me to enjoy that psychedelic spaciousness, drifting, not as colorful as other times with this chem. Still, a beautiful (but not spectacular) trip.

At some point my phone rang (I carry it only because my wife might call). It was someone I care about and so I answered. Of course the call was about his wife, who is dying from pancreatic cancer. So that was a challenge, but I was able to tell him what to do about a problem.

I experience this medicine at this dose as somehow very strong, yet, as you can tell, not experiencing that deep a trip. A nice trip.

A larger gathering coming up in a few weeks – Friday-Sunday – after reading frogfeet’s 25c-NBOMe experience, either 25C or acid night one and night two, MDMA sounds about right.

 

bump for taste-tripping last night. we each ate half of a large miracle fruit tablet (one dose) and then tried a variety of stuff:
lemons - tasted GOOD. you could eat a lemon and enjoy it. but you really shouldn't since it's still caustic to your mouth. i could feel the lemon stinging my chapped lips, but to my tongue it tasted like lemon candy.
lemon juice in a tiny bit of water tasted like sweet lemonade
(cheap watery) beer - disgustingly sweet
hot sauce - still hot, but an added slight sweetness
raisins - my brother said they tasted better, i tasted no change
pickles - not much diff
vinegar - undecidedly tasty? but makes you gag to swallow it haha
milk - no diff

it gave a noticeable change to the feeling of you tongue at first. like it had an electric blanket on it or something. we were laughing pretty hard while "coming up" on these tablets, and when we were eating lemons.

we were a bit drunk, and high on weed. i can only imagine how bizarre it would be on a psychedelic.

have you tried 35-40 mg? i gave my brother 36 mg for his first trip with anything other than acid. it was a bit much. he says he didn't really like it because he couldn't DO anything. or he'll say that he liked it until the end when it wore off and he couldn't function very well.

i've thought that maybe he'd like a lower dose better, like 20-25 mg. but MAYBE he's better off sticking to LSD which he knows he loves. he's pretty hesitant to try 4aces again, and i'll try not to pressure him into it.

maybe the nature of the 4aces trip is supposed to be lay back and...i dunno the rest.

 

I took 30 mg once, in what turned out to be a bad setting - it felt really strong. I'd be reluctant to take more than 25 mg at this point. Like I say, it felt somehow strong, but not super-psychedelic. We'll see what happens next time.

 

that is a bit disconcerting to me. a physically strong trip that's not so strong mentally doesn't sound appealing to me.

when i think about it though, that has not been my experience really. for me it's either been sort of weak on both fronts, or strong mentally as well as physically.
not to discount your experience at all. just comparing/contrasting.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paeJSG0RGXc"]The substance: Albert Hofman's LSD - Trailer - YouTube

 

Nice check-in TM, thanks for that and good story to hear. Sad to hear of your friends wife though, that's no way for good people to go. I do suspect though that your friend made a good choice in calling you, and that you were in a condition to be there for him.

Funny, that level of 4 ace experience you related. I didn't read it as PS did, two different aspects, physical/mental. I read it as a singular, that while it felt strong it wasn't deep. I have had that a few times, seeing and experiencing in a psychedelic manner without quite the um, what. magic? Can't quite find the words. Trippy without being a deeply touching trip.
Other times it's been pretty damn mind-manifesting.

 

There it is. Trippy without being deeply touching...

I've had a pretty full range of experiences with 4-aces.

I'm at a point where it doesn't always have to be ultimate (but that's wonderful when it happens). Also, these days, trips seeming to last into the next day, when there is sort of integrating going on. Things feel really solid.

 

Looks like I don't have to go through surgery yet.. I might celebrate with a long needed trip. It's been over a month and a half.

 

thanks V. I'll be lining the walls of my aquarium with foil as of tonight :2thumbsup:

Cool stuff. I'm surprised you dont want to consume it. Mescaline is by far the psychedelic I am the most interested in trying...

 

What do you have in mind??

 

Its for the cacti ive been growing

 

my buddy Harvey come over, Ive been so high ever since..

 

Well I'd love to try it, but not from this particular specimin.

I'd LIKE to try peyote. Maybe san pedro at some point, though I think I'd like to just do an acid/base extraction if it was something columnar. And even if I'd do san pedro, preparing peruvian torch is much more daunting..... I've hurt myself just examining the thing.

 

lol yeah. I think I'd go for an extraction as well. It's more measurable that way. Peyote is nice but it takes sooooo long to grow. In 5 years or so when mine are big I won't have the heart to cut them.

 

If you have a large enough army, there's all sorts of cutting things you can do, swapping out roots onto other plants, or buttons onto other things and back onto roots, or directly onto other roots..... cactuce-ie things all just latch onto each other. A lot of peyote's growth speed problem seems related to roots.

But obviously, it's not something you'll try withou peyote to spare.

 

You are correct - The speed of growth has to do with the root. You can graft peyote onto the rootstock of a fast growing cactus and it will grow faster, however the cactus in question will be super weak in alkaloids. but I guess you could grow one really fast and then use it for seeds.

I'm giving myself an idea here...

 

I think you can just re-cut it, putting the cut on the peyote side of the flesh, and plant the button as you would a cutting. Meanwhile the roots will have grown you some pups, hopefully..... and maybe the grafting stock will even grow another button, if you leave enough so that there's some peyote genetics left alive once the cut calluses.

Mescaline seems dependent on the amount of lifetime stress that a cactus deals with, that's not lethal or otherwise seriously depleting/damaging.

Darkness is SUPPOSED to increase mescaline content, I don't know about previous sun over-exposure but I wouldn't doubt it, low water conditions are supposed to help, etc etc etc. I've even read stuff about scarring it before harvest, for collumnars.

Make the cactus fight for it's life -- mescaline is it's weapon.

 

some cool tidbits about cacti, boys.

non-bump for seeing Rebelution, Passafire, and Through the Roots tomorrow night. some solid reggae music. (i won't be dosing)

 

Another interesting thing about cacti I think might be worth considering when growing them under artificial lighting is that many types of cactus only release waste by-products of photosynthesis when it is dark. Those guard cells around the stomata only open up on some cacti when it is nighttime and dark so that water doesn't evaporate in the mid-day heat.

Basically giving them too much light could potentially hamper their natural grow process. Now this is just a theory. I do some cacti only open their stomata at night, but I'm not sure if it applies to peyote. Perhaps it has to do with temperature levels as well. :2thumbsup:

 

I THINK that all cacti do that. But I expect they're also specialized to have a higher capacity within the stoma.

On that note, I think that having it very moist at night would help. And if you use CO2 (like pot growers do) night would be the only time you'd need to leave it on.

But yes, I can imagine that light for overly long periods will mess up growth.

Then again, maybe in addition to putting them in the dark after harvest, if they where sealed it would cause additional mescaline production. Maybe cling-wrap and darkness besides?


The thing is, it's so easy to try things with pot, because you can grow a full crop in a few months, but playing with cacti genetics or growing methods could take DECADES to fully explore the effects of any particular growing method or strain or anything. And getting bodafide lab testing done on pot is easy and standard some places, and even testing for the presence of mescaline is an oddity, much less fully quantifying it, much LESS doing so at special points in the cactus' life.