Psychedelic Bump IV

Well yeah, of course we can compare notes but I'm not really in a competition here. My torment was entirely internal, there were no outside circumstances affecting the trip whatsoever so I wasn't expecting such a harsh outcome. As much as I value psychedelics and everything they do, I love life more and I'm just not interested in pushing the boundaries so far that they compromise the rest of my life in any way. Said with love <3

 

@SweetBlasphemy: I do think MDMA sometimes benefits a great deal from social support with others on the drug with you, so that can be something that is difficult to deal with solo. You're right it can be pushy and a very learn these lessons NOW! I'm not going to give you the time to set up your ideal strategies for a later date type high. Ironically that is much of its appeal to me too.

 

PCP is something i'm very interested in.

I reckon PCP would be like more dangerous version of K but would be too much to abuse. Just odd thoughts though i have no fucking idea what PCP is like.

 

GB - At the end of the day, I guess it's just not the right tool for me. The uncomfortable physical effects alone are enough to make me not want to explore it further. I'd take the body load of 50mg+ 2c-e any day to the utter toxicity I feel from MDMA. I'm not sorry to write it off as I found everything I was looking for and more in 2c-b, so it's all good :2thumbsup: I can't say I didn't try, 8 flops tells me that we are just not meant to be. I've only disliked 2 drugs (3 if you count methylone but I dislike them for the same exact reasons) out of everything I've tried so far, that's not so bad, and there's plenty more out there...

 

bump for 120mg MDMA for me and my gf. her first psychedelic wish us luck.

 

Have a beautiful time!

 

I am in no competition here either, I was just being snarky with that "my bad experience beats up yours" comment, I'm sorry if you thought I was being serious. Much love to you, you're not somebody I'd pick on or triffle with (nor is anyone really, I don't hate a single soul, it's not in my ethos, even if I get upset and inflammatory sometimes).

Anywho... that experience was internal hell incarnate, I thought I was going to die since 75mg snorted 2ci is equivolent to approx. 150mg oral, my heart was pounding so hard I could see it, I got high within mere seconds so I had no time to adjust, I wet myself, then continued to freak out on my bed (after changing and peeing the rest in a jar, weirdly, it made me instantly empty my bladder uncontrolably--that's when I knew I was in trouble), I sat there, my DAD OF ALL PEOPLE CALLED, & I, not in my right mind, answered the phone & could barely speak a word. I recall having to remember how to count up to 3 (& with much difficulty), I couldn't remember the English alphabet, & then things get hazy, until around about the time I'm being hauled off in cuffs. I went fucking berzerk and probably almost died. It was stupid, I know. Never doin' that sorta shit again. Anyway, that is what I attribute the reason to this day being that I can take hellishly large amounts of sikes & get off about as much as someone does who'd take half what I do anymore. I think it changed my brain chemistry.

Speaking of serotonin, I actually had Serotonin Syndrome a few weeks ago & reading some stuff today, only JUST realized that that was actually what all the headaches and hot flashes were about (fortunately I had morphine, Dilaudid, & Vicodin 10's to keep the limb pain & shit at bay). It wasn't that bad though & I stayed off sikes until it went away, and it has gone away completely.

 

S'all good

Sounds like a real bad scene... I actually suspected SS during my trip as well because of how close to death I felt (mentally and physically). But I can't really know for sure now... glad you came out the other side.

 

Enjoy the living hell out of every minute of it and have a safe and wonderful journey dude! :sunny:

 

Thank you, me too. I know I've expressed some (probably to some) strange ideas about life, that it's about quality not quantity, that said, I'd end myself if I was 66, had Alzheimer's, was a stroke victim, diabetic, and about to lose my legs because of poor circulation. Lead therapy. But otherwise, I love life, I am very glad I didn't die, even more happy that I'm still dancin' to this day & plan to 'til I'm old & grey, sans any horrendous scenerio like the one posited above.

I think the SS came from having been on methylone and 2ce all night, followed by doing the same at a higher dose of each when I came down, then doing 2ce + t2 & staying up another night in a row. Another lesson learned, take it easy on one's self. I keep somehow forgetting that, but I still have and never will try a stunt again like my 4 aces/2ci bullshit. Ugh.

 

caffeine bump for CAFFEINE...CAFFEINE!!!! 660mg so far, was thinking about doing another 1000mg aka GRAM for all you math experts out there in about an hour to see how HIGH i will really GET. i remember when i was 18 I USE TO SPOON THIS SHIT into my soda in large amounts. ITS SO cheap to get it in pure form. cheap and SILLY

 

Yeah, I just hope you (and everyone) stay safe. I just watch others around me get a little carried away sometimes and it's disheartening to see people use drugs to distract them from life, rather than as an enhancement to life. I forget who said it around here recently (maybe neuroptican or CannbisSoul?) but life truly is the ultimate trip. I actually didn't learn that for myself until fairly recently. I know I don't need to preach it to ya though, my main concern is everyone's health and safety in their journeys :love:

 

Thank you once again, you truly are a remarkable person with a lot of empathy, compassion & love & it shows. Life is the ultimate trip, but that trip is only half the trip without good people surrounding whether in cyberspace or real space, so I'm happy to say I'm happy to know you! :love:

As a friend of mine in another forum says to everyone all of the time, Much Love!!!

 

That stuff gives me bad heartburn and gitters.

 

I literally can't function without caffeine, it's the one and only thing for which I've developed a physical and psychological dependency and I have no interest in trying to break it at this point in my life. I know it's bad for me but I would seriously need time away from work and a house maid to get off it... though it's rare I go over 500mg throughout the course of a day.

and :grouphug: for cosmo, et al

 

damn, i was gonna for like a day and a half and seems like i missed a lot of chatter. this is gonna be a long one

yeah, that laser pointer IS awesome, especially when tripping.

i'd wager that you'd trip as hard or harder from taking half your dose all at once (25 mg 2cb) rather than 50 mg over the course of a few hours.
but of course i'm not trying to tell you how to use your chems. just a little advice. i ignore people's advice all the time though

sounds splendid, man. what dose do you think might have had you closer to where you wanted to be? maybe not a "full" dose, because you said you were just looking to chill, but would like, 400 mg, been better suited to your purpose?

from the way you described it, it sounded great. but you probably pick up on a lot of subtleties and it comes off in your writing.

i sure can't wait to read some trip reports on all 4 of those new ones though! the 5-EtOs seemed intriguing, but after reading the few sentences in PiHKAL, not sure that they'd be that great. the 2CD-5EtO experience is apparently "largely free from excitement, but with a friendly openness and outgoingness that allowed easy talk, interaction, humor, and a healthy appetite" for 12 hours. 2CE-5EtO is "gentle, forgiving, and extremely long lived." effects were apparently still felt the next day (this is what makes in undesirable to me). the gentle and forgiving part is somewhat surprising since that's not how he described 2ce. 2CE-5EtO's dose (10-15 mg) is a bit less than 2ce's, and the effects are felt about 2 or 3 times longer, earning it the nickname "Eternity"

he said somewhere in there that compared to the corresponding 2cx compound, the 5-EtO's have a relatively unchanged potency and a longer duration, the 2-EtO's have lower potency and duration (boo), and the 2,5-di-EtO's are weak if active at all.

2cb has only two of these "tweetios" the 2- and the 2,5-di....
why the fuck?! isn't there 2CB-5EtO?!

i'm a bit surprised that you guys call MDMA a (real) psychedelic. i've more often heard of it called an empathogen or entactogen or something similar.
do you call it a psychedelic because of it's profoundness and capability to change, heal, etc?

i wouldn't be surprised if your negative reaction to mdma has to do with your serotonin deficiency/regulation issue. i also wouldn't be surprised if your serotonin issue was misdiagnosed. it certainly is not fully understood. i don't mean to downplay your illness. just on those commercials where they draw two nerve cells and say that depression is because of a "chemical imbalance in the brain and drug X works by correcting this imbalance," they are full of shit. they've never identified this exact chemical imbalance, and the effects or SSRI's and whatnot are about as well understood as psychedelics, or ANYTHING in science really. we don't have a clue about most things. anyways, after that little rant...

maybe your brain has gotten used to abnormally low levels of serotonin, so you have a more violent reaction with serotonin releasing drugs like MDMA and methylone. 2cx chemicals inhibit reuptake of serotonin, but barely if at all influence RELEASE. so that's why you can enjoy those. of course, this is all speculation, which is the fancy way of saying "talking out of my ass"
scientists are pretty good at that.

maybe it's these negative feelings or emotions that are causing it though. we all know what you mean about facing your demons on a trip, but maybe you have more personal demons than most of us? no disrespect...but maybe it is about your mindset.

my curiosity makes me wonder the things that make you a "terrible person." would you care to elaborate a little, if it's not too personal? obviously my PM box is open if you care to send one. maybe talking about some of the things that weigh heavily on you can help you work through it. who better to tell your deepest darkest secrets to than a stranger on the internet :love:

i think you are the only person i've ever heard of having a BAD reaction to MDMA. i personally tried it once at 150 mg (i also have reason to expect that it was of utmost quality), and while i had an overall "lackluster" experience, it wasn't negative in the least. i didn't get any nausea whatsoever, no sick feelings, no "spikes," nothing like that. i was mostly unimpressed though by the drug. although i actually do think i came away from it with some lessons about my relationship with my fiance.

damn! some of the symptoms of serotonin syndrome sound like the "symptoms" of tripping. increased heart rate, shivering, sweating, dilated pupils, and muscle twitches. also, "hyperactive bowel sounds" which makes me think of 2ce
scary stuff

 

I know you dabble in the dissociatives sometimes so if you like them you might like it. I did it once, back in the day, and that was enough to teach me a lesson. It was not good.
Being a little judgemental here but I put pcp in a group of drugs that i feel have a great potential for bad. Opiates, meth, coke, oxy... I have direct experience with some and indirect experience with all of them and i see very little good coming from them. Just my take. I liked reading what SB wrote...

Not pointed at any one person. Just saying...

 

Same here, but then again...

I like the sound of that haha. I guess I'm kind of unexplored with tryptamines but I'm still pretty content with what I got now. But you have sparked my interest in that one.

Nice! :2thumbsup:

 

No more caffeine for me today..i ended up stopped at 1000mg total..err should have stopped at 150mg lol..gunna go lay down now and hope i feel better